r/Assyria • u/adiabene ܣܘܪܝܐ • Mar 24 '24
History/Culture Two young children from Alqosh during Palm Sunday
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u/PristineCurrency- Mar 25 '24
Those people complaining about assyrians wearing Kurdish clothes, are the same one who have completely emerged themselves in western cultures and traditions.
They make it sound like we are not supposed to interact with our locals but they can. Such hypocrisy
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u/ShadeofthePeachTree Mar 31 '24
Some people here have such a hatred for Kurds that they will deny their own culture because it looks similar to the people they've been living with for more than a thousand years. Newsflash, cultures living next to one another tend to be similar. The Assyrian word for traditional clothing is the same as the Kurdish word for clothes.
Some people here have a stereotypical image of Tyari garb as being the one and all Assyrian costume. First of all Assyrian clothes are much richer than that, from Alqosh it's different than Tesqopa and the surroundings, and that's different again from the mountainous Hakkari tribes. Which guess what? Look a lot like Kurdish clothes from the same area in the early 20th century. Funnily enough the clothes worn on the Nineveh plain especially in Tesqopa by women are more 'unique'. The feathers were only popularised later on, most distinctive feature to seperate them from Kurds is the conical hat (which was also not worn by everyone, you can find pictures with the more 'Kurdish' styled turban). Similar hats were also worn by Ezidis though (to a lesser extent). Not to mention culture changes over time, nowadays people embroid ancient Assyrian/Babylonian motifs on their clothes.
Especially the diaspora has this stereotypical idea of Assyrian clothes that were mostly worn by rich tribal Tyari people. When you actually look up images from common Tyari people they're a lot less 'flashy' than the festive costumes worn nowadays. Some of y'all are shitting on people actually living on their ancestral land, participating in their culture and lecturing them on what 'real' Assyrian culture is, lmao.
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u/Nervous-Positive-431 Assyrian Mar 25 '24
I am sorry, wrong choice by that kid's parents. We have our own signature. Couldn't careless if this is Assyrian in origin or not. I am happy for it not to be associated with us.
Trying explaining to a foreigner how you are not "A Syrian" that lives next to a Kurd, wears clothes similar to a Kurd and is a Middle Eastern Christian (as if such people even exists in their minds)... and watch them have a brain seizure.
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u/adiabene ܣܘܪܝܐ Mar 25 '24
Who says that these aren't our clothes that Arabs or Kurds have adopted?
This is our traditional clothing from the heart of Assyria. We don't have to prove anything to anyone.
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u/Stockhawk20 Assyrian Mar 26 '24
No need to proof anything, but you cannot convince me that these are traditional assyrian clothes.
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u/Stockhawk20 Assyrian Mar 25 '24
The Scarf or the Shemakh is not Assyrian at all. Muhammad followers used to wear this scarf in deserts when they use to slaughter the infidels saving them self from inhaling the dust. We have our own Assyrian traditional clothing, and these are not one of them.
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u/YaqoGarshon Gzira/Sirnak-Cizre/Bohtan Mar 25 '24
This is just dumb. Do you think Nineveh Plains is some cold region? It's really hot compared to other Assyrian regions, that's reason they wore Keffiyeh.
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u/Stockhawk20 Assyrian Mar 25 '24
I totally understand that, but still this is not our own traditional clothing.
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u/YaqoGarshon Gzira/Sirnak-Cizre/Bohtan Mar 25 '24
This is as traditional as other Assyrian dresses. Only Bohtani ones seem heavily borrowed one, but Nineveh Plains seem accurate, look at the women' attire in general. All of them are similar. Even Kurds wear Keffiyeh in Iraq.
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u/Stockhawk20 Assyrian Mar 26 '24
Not even close, i know our history very good. The only traditional assyrian clothes are Khoomala with Feather 🪶for men and kimara for woman.
[Assyrian Traditional Clothing] https://ibb.co/7vBK3rp
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u/YaqoGarshon Gzira/Sirnak-Cizre/Bohtan Mar 26 '24
Those are exclusive Mountainous tribal wearing. Each Assyrian regions have unique clothing style. Keffiyeh is used in regions having very hot climate.
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u/cradled_by_enki Assyrian Mar 26 '24
Wrong. The Keffiyeh originates from Mesopotamia, and is thought to have come specifically from Sumerians. This is long before Arabs even inhabited the area in question. Presumably Assyrians were the group that maintained this aspect of culture because of the contact they had with Babylonians who were located further south in present day Iraq, all before Babylonians were fully assimilated into the Assyrian empire. There was a lot of cultural mixing before Assyria became the massive empire that it did.
Lastly, wearing a head scarf is a feature of virtually every culture in Middle East and Africa. It's more about geographical location and practicality. A scarf does not only protect people from heat, but it protects them from other elements like wind. Any place you go to in the Middle East will also have debris that people need to be protected form regardless of which climate they live in. Assyrians in Nineveh Plains live on plains, highlands, and mountains where they face all of these elements.
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Mar 29 '24
No. People in ancient Mesopotamia were wearing this type of clothing since the Parthian era. There is an ancient relief depicting a man in this fashion. In addition, Assyrians were the ones creating clothes for Kurds as they usually worked as weavers and such. I can provide some sources later.
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Mar 25 '24
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u/adiabene ܣܘܪܝܐ Mar 25 '24
Beautiful kurdish cloth 😍😍
Or it's Assyrian clothing and Kurds copied us?
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u/HatchedEagle1776 Mar 25 '24
Not every Assyrian traditional clothing is the same. It is regional. Northern Assyrians would have thicker clothing for a cooler climate whereas Nineveh plains would have something more airy for the hotter climate. Head scarfs actually historically were first documented in 13th century B.C in Assyria. Another way to tell is the boys wrapping style of it. This style is only wore by Assyrians in the Nineveh plains. Both sides folding over each other at the base of the head at the top, falling to opposites sides in the back.