r/AmericaBad • u/WEZIACZEQ 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 • 1d ago
"Murica fortress bad europe fortress gud"
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u/Cool-Winter7050 1d ago
The American "fortress" is a Spanish monastery
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u/AltarDining 1d ago
They're both monasteries.
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u/URNotHONEST 20h ago
It's like those haters do not even know about NORAD:
https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/14/34/6b/aa/view-from-lower-down.jpg
Arguably more beautiful and stronger.
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u/Couchmaster007 13h ago
NOrth ameRican Aerospace Defense (command). I still have no fucking clue how that makes NORAD.
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u/Strict_Gas_1141 11m ago
Because they didn’t like the sound of NAADC or MAAD so they changed it to NORAD.
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u/WeirdPelicanGuy INDIANA 🏀🏎️ 1d ago
Defensive structures are supposed to be functional not pretty
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u/I_love_lucja_1738 1d ago
Mont Saint Micheal has been around since 708 so I'd say it's pretty functional as well as pretty
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u/Centurion7999 NEVADA 🎲 🎰 1d ago
They had time and money for it, those forts needed to be done fore the winter or you were cooked and they ain’t there for anything other than a spot to not die when then Indians get mad over some dispute and decide to set everything on fire for the 37th time this decade
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u/WeirdPelicanGuy INDIANA 🏀🏎️ 21h ago
Mont Saint Michael is a town on an island with defensive structures around it. Its not a fort.That's the thing about walls, you can put stuff inside of them
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u/URNotHONEST 20h ago
There are like 20-30 people that live there. It does not sound like the socialist and walkable paradise I have been promised.
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u/Educational-Year3146 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 1d ago
Why would colonists build castles?
Europe is much older than America.
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u/ub3rm3nsch 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's almost as if Europeans willfully ignore the historical differences between Europe and the Americas.
It actually isn't a phenomenon confined to the U.S. The French say how ugly Quebecois is, but the French changed their language and the Quebecois maintained the original. The Spanish have a sense of superiority for their pronunciation, but again they changed it after the colonization of the Americas. Same thing with American English and its rhotic quality, which is the original pronunciation with the English having changed theirs after colonization. Notice a theme?
It's funny to me that Europeans always talk about having a better school system than the U.S., yet seem to understand nothing about the history of human civilization unless it's from a purely European perspective.
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u/Nine_down_1_2_GO 22h ago
Europeans also changed their date structure as well as changing the unit of measure to the metric system after colonization. I find it absurdly funny that all these changes were made by them only for them to turn around and claim "the US simplified/over complicated" something that they initially used or instituted when they were in charge only to change it later.
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u/Robinsonirish 22h ago
This is such a bad argument though. Getting smarter and finding a way to do things more efficiently is a good thing, right? That's basically science as a concept, out with the old, in with the new.
This is not the same thing as dialects or language, which changes automatically, but a conscious move to improve something measurable.
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u/Nine_down_1_2_GO 21h ago
The point i was making is that they pretend America invented the imperial system, the MM/DD/YYYY format, and dropped letters from words. When the earliest European newspapers were dated MM/DD/YYYY, the imperial system has been around for longer than America has existed, and they added letters to words and started pronouncing them differently. Personally I would have liked it if we had switched to metric over imperial, but they guy who tried bringing it to America was attacked by pirates, enslaved, and died so it was essentially an act of God that kept things the way they are now.
The arguments are all solid. America never changed anything, and everyone else did to essentially bolster their own sense of superiority.
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u/KaBar42 18h ago
The point i was making is that they pretend America invented the imperial system
Small nitpick. The US does not use the Imperial system, the British do (they use a bastard mix of Imperial and Metric). America uses US Customary. Which is similar, but not interchangeable, to Imperial.
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u/perunavaras 🇫🇮 Suomi 🦌 12h ago
Biritish or Europeans who added letters to words and started to pronounce them differently?
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u/Robinsonirish 21h ago
Nah mate, we don't pretend you invented it, we know you didn't, we just think it's better to have moved onto a better system once that was figured out, like the rest of the world.
American is full of smart people, have the newest tech, are the only true superpower in this world and you are proud of your ability to stand on your own two feet as innovators. That's why it's so weird you hang on to Fahrenheit and the Imperial System. I don't really care, I get it's really hard to change something so fundamental to the public, but to me it feels "un-American" to use outdated technology, or at least how I view America as an outsider.
This is not at all the same as accents changing. They're changing all the time without anyone's input, it just happens. New words are invented and put into the dictionary all the time. The guy you replied to is just straight up lying, I'm not sure what for, because you don't speak the with the same accents you did in the beginning of the 20th century, let alone when your country was founded. Nobody does. "Old English" is unrecognisable and you wouldn't understand a single word if you heard it spoken today, doesn't matter if you're a Brit or an American.
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u/ub3rm3nsch 21h ago edited 21h ago
First off, it isn't true that most of you don't pretend we invented it. You do. Many, many people in Europe - and the UK in particular - are ignorant about American history and stand on that ignorance as if it's a badge of superiority.
Secondly, it's easy to say that America should just change the entire system of measurement as if it's like flipping a switch. The entire infrastructure of a country with a landmass five times bigger than the UK, and one that is a federal system where States administer their highways, isn't easily amenable to that kind of change.
Thirdly, why does it bother you so much? How does it honestly affect you profoundly?
Fourth, mate, do you see us caring about what system of measurement you use?
Fifth, Old English dates way before the 20th century. You clearly do not have any background in linguistic history. Early modern English was used by the mid 15th century. What are you on about?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Modern_English
Like I said, Europeans seem to want everything to be European, and seem to only understand the world from a European perspective, and then somehow will turn around and say the U.S. is the nationalistic place.
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u/Robinsonirish 21h ago
I have literally never once in my life heard a European claim that America invented the Imperial System. The Brits still use stone, inches and miles to some extent and Europeans know this. It's in the name; "Imperial"->British Empire. This is common knowledge everywhere, you're confusing us clowning on you for using it with us thinking you invented it, nobody does.
Fahrenheit is also obviously German, we do not think you invented that either. We all know the US is a young country and a lot of your stuff came from the Old World just on the basis that you didn't exist pre-Columbus and that most of your settlers are European decent, it's just logical.
Secondly, it's easy to say that America should just change the entire system of measurement as if it's like flipping a switch. The entire infrastructure of a country with a landmass five times bigger than the UK, and one that is a federal system where States administer their highways, isn't easily amenable to that kind of change.
Yes, it's hard, but we all did it. Ireland and the UK have done it quite recently.
Fourth, mate, do you see us caring about what system of measurement you use?
You don't have to change, but it's a bit silly to use it, especially when your higher institutions like universities and NASA use metric. I guess it has become a pride thing as well as a comfort thing? It's more something we tease you about rather than something we truly care about. It's definitely no dealbreaker, we still like the Yanks.
Like I said, Europeans seem to want everything to be European, and seem to only understand the world from a European perspective, and then somehow will turn around and say the U.S. is the nationalistic place.
Come on mate, you are the world hegemon, you are the global superpower. Your political and cultural influence is completely overwhelming. As a Swede it matters more who wins the American election than who wins the German one, even though that's a country of 80mil beside us. You are just as guilty in telling other people how to behave and think as we are, if not more.
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u/ub3rm3nsch 21h ago
It's hegemon, not hegemond.
Also, why is this so upsetting for you? Is this how you spend your time?
As a Swede, I'd be more worried about your own rising gang and gun violence situation. The U.S. election only matters to you because American culture is so pervasive that you consume it. I don't see you upset about Brazil's gun violence, or China's CO2 output. Why? Because you don't consume Chinese or Brazilian media. You attach so much importance to the U.S. because of the saliance of American culture. You are quite literally a case study in Agenda-Setting Theory:
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u/Robinsonirish 20h ago
As worrisome as our recent surge in gun violence is it's still just a tiny fraction of what you guys have in America, I just felt the need to clear that up and defend myself.
Yours is literally 10x higher than ours by ever metric:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_homicide_rates
The U.S. election only matters to you because American culture is so pervasive that you consume it. I don't see you upset about Brazil's gun violence, or China's CO2 output. Why? Because you don't consume Chinese or Brazilian media. You attach so much importance to the U.S. because of the saliance of American culture. You are quite literally a case study in Agenda-
I'm not denying any of this. You are getting so defensive here, I have nothing against the US and I see you guys as our most important ally. We consume a shitload of your media, movies and they're great. We speak the best English in the world as a 2nd language in large part to it. I see nothing wrong with this, I like Americans. That doesn't mean there aren't things to nitpick.
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u/Infinite_Wheel_8948 8h ago
Units of measurement are a matter of preference. None are outdated.
Kelvin is far more scientific than Celsius, but using it is quite impractical. Celsius, on the other hand, is less precise than Fahrenheit - and less intuitive.
In Fahrenheit, 0 is really cold and 100 is really hot.
In Celsius, 0 is a bit cold, and nobody can live at even 50 degrees for any period of time.
Feet, as a measure of something, makes sense. I can just walk toe over toe, and get a measure of how many feet long something is. It’s intuitive. A mile is a bit over 5000 feet, because it’s an approximation of 1000 steps while running fast. Intuitive, but not ideal I’ll agree.
Meters are a distance of arbitrary length, that are logical but don’t have any intuitive grasp.
This isn’t scientifically inferior. It’s just a preference.
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u/Robinsonirish 5h ago edited 4h ago
You know how the difference between 1000, 1 million, 1 billion, 1 trillion and so on are all in increments of x1000? Imagine if 1 million and 1 billion were the terms that were used except it would be an random number between them that only 1 country uses? Like 1 billion is x1632 million? Then for the difference between 1 billion and 1 trillion is just x12?
That's how dumb using inches, feet, yards, miles is. There is no logical sense to it other than "this is what we had before we had a way to properly measure".
Edit: Btw, I have no problem with Farenheit. -273 is an arbitrary number, because at that temp atoms don't move, but it's still irrational. Celsius is just as intuitive or intuitive that Farenheit is.
What I do have trouble with however is length, weight and the other metric units not making any sense in the Imperial system. If you want to convert 132 inches into feet or yards, you need to take out a pen and paper to calculate it. That's a bad system. Same goes for pounds->stones etc. It's not at all intuitive. With the metric system you just move the decimal point, that's it. A 5 year old can do it.
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u/Significant-Pay4621 14h ago
I'd hardly say europeans "got smarter" with their measurements when they can't do a simple conversion unlike most Americans who learned both in school. For most things Imperial is fine. I don't need precise measurements when cooking a new meatloaf recipe I found. I use metric when I bake bread ir do construction tho. Most Americans are like this.
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u/Robinsonirish 3h ago
Go ahead and convert 251 inches to feet, or 85 yards to miles without using a pen and paper.
In metric you just move the decimal point.
You know how the difference between 1000, 1 million, 1 billion, 1 trillion and so on are all in increments of x1000? Imagine if 1 million and 1 billion were the terms that were used except it would be an random number between them that only 1 country uses? Like 1 billion is x1632 million? Then for the difference between 1 billion and 1 trillion is just x12?
That's how dumb using inches, feet, yards, miles, pounds, stones and furlongs is. There is no logical sense to it other than "this is what we had before we had a way to properly measure".
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u/JodaMythed 21h ago
We have a good number of forts built to withstand cannons. San Juan PR and St Augustine have them but the time of walled cities was past by the time those were made.
Europe has a lot of rundown castles, this meme is rage bait
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u/Throwaway_CK2Modding AMERICAN 🏈 💵🗽🍔 ⚾️ 🦅📈 14h ago
The Native Americans did, mostly wooden hillforts similar to those of the ancient Celts or medieval Norse like Cahokia. American history is extremely old, if you’re willing to understand that it’s not JUST White history. Just as British history isn’t just the history of the Anglo-Saxons, but of those they invaded and came to co-exist with as well.
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u/Kalashnikov_model-47 WASHINGTON 🌲🍎 14h ago
Anyone who’s played fallout 4 knows that colonists did, in fact, build castles.
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u/JoeNemoDoe 1d ago edited 20h ago
Laughs in liberty island, a literal star fort that got turned into the pedestal for the statue of liberty.
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u/Appropriate-Ebb-208 ALASKA 🚁🌋 22h ago
Ellis Island is directly adjacent to Liberty Island, Ellis Island was the Island for Immigration Processing, and Liberty Island is where the Statue of Liberty now stands.
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u/Murky_waterLLC WISCONSIN 🧀🍺 1d ago
That's not a fortress, that's a castle.
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u/Dale_Wardark CONNECTICUT 👔⛵️ 1d ago
Well technically a castle is a fortress. It's a fortified mansion with military infrastructure and sometimes even whole towns inside the curtain wall. They served as primary military fortification in wartime as well as important centers of commerce and administration in both wartime and peacetime.
Yes I have autism and it's mine so I get to choose the special interests, medieval warfare is close to the top of the list lol
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u/Hammy-Cheeks PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 1d ago
We really do live in their head rent free huh?
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u/BunnyBrigade1 PENNSYLVANIA 🍫📜🔔 20h ago
At this point they're paying us to live in their head
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u/ub3rm3nsch 12h ago
"Har har har Tiger King is so stupid!"
"So you have a Netflix subscription and are paying an American company for your entertainment?"
"....."
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u/Top_Aviator FLORIDA 🍊🐊 1d ago
We have pretty cool fortresses but it’s really l on the east coast. Admittedly they’re not as complex but, cmon, modern American history goes back 300 years? Meanwhile Europe has centuries and centuries of conflict and rivalries while all of America was colonized by a couple of forces in one big stretch. But in that case I find those little forts in the bottom of the picture interesting because imagine you’re 500 miles away from civilization living in that fort, surrounded by nature and the unknown. European castles can’t compare to that
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u/LightningController 23h ago edited 23h ago
Admittedly they’re not as complex
Actually, they kind of are. American "Third System" forts and the forts built around Washington during the US civil war are pretty comparable to contemporary structures in Europe. It's just that most of the latter were torn down in the 20th century to make way for more recent, and less photogenic, reinforced concrete fortifications, or abandoned rather than incorporated into the National Park System. (EDIT: or torn down to make way for general urban sprawl; most of the fortifications around Paris were destroyed before the First World War after they were deemed obsolete)
Compare Fort Pulaski in Georgia to some of the surviving Tsarist forts in Poland and you'll see they're not that different--both being built in the 19th century to face 19th century threats.
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u/Throwaway_CK2Modding AMERICAN 🏈 💵🗽🍔 ⚾️ 🦅📈 14h ago
American history goes far back than 300 years, Santa Fe has the beautiful Palace of the Governors from 400-500 years ago. California is littered with Spanish missions, the Pueblos have their medieval well, pueblos, and the Mississippians constructed huge hill-forts in the style of the Celts or Norse that rivaled cities in Europe.
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u/KPhoenix83 NORTH CAROLINA 🛩️ 🌅 23h ago
Again, the European obsession with very old buildings from governments and institutions long gone and how that somehow equals greatness today.
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u/WEZIACZEQ 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 23h ago
Tbf it is benefitial. The beautiful gothic buildings in europe are breath-taking.
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u/KPhoenix83 NORTH CAROLINA 🛩️ 🌅 23h ago
They are pretty, but that picture is not even one of the largest or "prettiest" forts in America. I think some of the fancier forts here are from the Spanish colonies.
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u/LightningController 23h ago
The fanciest, I think, is the Spanish Castillo de San Marcos in Florida:
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u/Nuance007 ILLINOIS 🏙️💨 1h ago
And "Europeans" tend to not give a shit about their old buildings. They, or Pick Me Americans, use their old buildings against the US when it suits them.
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u/LurkersUniteAgain 23h ago
gotta love how they forget this fortress
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u/WEZIACZEQ 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 23h ago
Ehh, as much as I disagree with those people, the statue of liberty is nothing compared to Kremlin, Katedra Mariacka or st. Peter's basilica
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u/LurkersUniteAgain 23h ago
sure, but to say that flat wall of clay is our best is laughable, also st peters basilica aint a fort
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u/lowchain3072 CALIFORNIA🍷🎞️ 17h ago
yeah but its not like that thing would get invaded, it was a welcome for immigrants
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u/Warmaster_Horus_30k 1d ago
Tbf there's no need for a giant fortress when you're defending against people with stone age technology.
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u/Objective-throwaway 1d ago
I mean at the point that fort was made the American Indians had access to firearms. I’d argue it’s more due to the fact that rich people lived in the castles
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u/Warmaster_Horus_30k 1d ago
So they had stone age technology and guns we sold them.
If we had given them cannons, I could see the need for stronger defenses. But against a culture (even one we armed) that specialized in sometimes mounted skirmishes, a fort is sufficient.
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u/Objective-throwaway 1d ago
I’m not disagreeing with your larger point. I’m just saying that American Indians had access to more than Stone Age technology
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u/Centurion7999 NEVADA 🎲 🎰 1d ago
Hey had some metal weapons and guns that they bought/captured during wars, and a couple tribes ended up working metal in Oklahoma post getting their asses kicked iirc, but mostly they were stuck in the Neolithic without any heavy weapons and had to trade for the good tools and pretty much all their guns
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u/TigreDeLosLlanos 🇦🇷 República Argentina 🍇 1d ago
That's why those pretty castles were raided by the extremely advanced, and not stone age at all, technology of Genghis Khan's army.
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u/Commercial_Data8481 1d ago
Fortresses like these are only useful for defending against stone age technology.
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u/Elloliott MICHIGAN 🚗🏖️ 23h ago
When your buildings go above your walls, they get hit with artillery
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u/Lanracie 22h ago
Why is Europe riddled with fortresses? Its almost as if they have a thousand year history of war.
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u/WEZIACZEQ 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 22h ago
There is no country that has a history not riddled with wars. Maybe San Marino or something, but they had a fair share of wars themselves too.
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u/mramisuzuki NEW JERSEY 🎡 🍕 1d ago
Wow some rich guy spent all his serfs money and backs to make a cool building to defend himself from said guy that built it.
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u/ThinkinBoutThings AMERICAN 🏈 💵🗽🍔 ⚾️ 🦅📈 1d ago
Mont Saint Michelle isn’t really a fortress, it’s a catholic abbey.
If you want to see what a French fortress looks like, check the Citadelle de Bitche.
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u/Dupagoblin 1d ago
Oh look it’s the country that got steamrolled in just a few weeks during WWII. Seems those pretty fortresses really helped.
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u/Smooth_Monkey69420 23h ago
If the natives could produce cannons or trebuchet we might’ve had castles
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u/WEZIACZEQ 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 23h ago
Look at South America and all the major tribes like the Astecs or the Mayan people
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u/RadiantRadicalist 22h ago
Pretty sure the brits sacked DC and then tried to do the same with Philadelphia and NY
But got filtered at Fort McHenry and General Ross died.
America has a lot of good Star-fortresses that just go unnoticed because "yes" i guess.
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u/OlDirtyTriple MARYLAND 🦀🚢 1d ago
We don't border any shitty European wanna be empires so we don't need fortresses.
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u/WEZIACZEQ 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 23h ago
shitty European wanna be empires
What?
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u/OlDirtyTriple MARYLAND 🦀🚢 20h ago
Poland doesn't have bloody borders? Shit, you don't even have the same national borders between pre and post WW2.
The primary reason the US has to be the world police is because of European nationalism. After 550 years of forever wars the Pax Americana was imposed.
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u/WEZIACZEQ 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 18h ago
Yeah, but how are Germany and Russia "wanna-be" empires? They both were actual empires at some point. They fell, but all empires do. The US eill also fall - be it sooner or later.
The French Empire lasted ≈10 years, the Roman Empire or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth lasted for centuries. All of them fell. So will the US or the PRC.
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u/lutavian 1d ago
Just tell them that their old obsolete fortresses are now protected by modern American world-wide fortresses.
Laughs in Aegis Ashore, Patriot, US Military industrial complex, Space Force, complete air dominance with the 2 largest air forces on the planet.
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u/Valiant_Darktanyan CALIFORNIA🍷🎞️ 23h ago
Don’t appreciate the comparison between America and Europe here, but the European castle is still pretty cool ngl.
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u/MutantZebra999 MISSOURI 🏟️⛺️ 23h ago
I mean yeah that’s fair
But also the euros had the whole Middle Ages to build castles so idrgaf
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u/molotok_c_518 22h ago
That's not Fort William Henry (on Lake George in NY) in the bottom pic, so the meme is already wrong.
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u/Scaria95 22h ago
I would say the ugliest fortifications in Europe are the ones built in world war 2
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u/sixouvie 22h ago
From personal experience you're right, i've visited a couple of ww1 and maginot lines fort, you can see they were built for a purpose, and it was not to be pretty
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u/Sparta63005 18h ago
Does this person think that the French just showed up and built that shit? Mon Saint Michael probably looked similar to the American fort in its first stages and was upgraded over hundreds of years. The American fort was built on the frontier and was not able to be easily upgraded, they also just had no use for elaborate castles.
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u/Disastrous-Arm9635 18h ago
Explain that joke is a fucking joke. I swear to god 95% of its content is so self explanatory that the poster should be banned from the internet if they don't understand the memes
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u/bongowombo 17h ago
Do they not count castillo de San marcos in Florida or are they gonna pick and choose what’s American or not
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u/heywoodidaho NEW JERSEY 🎡 🍕 1d ago
Welp they've had 2000 years of constant warfare that continues to this day so of course they are more elaborate. Castles are just a symptom of not having your shit together.
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u/animorphs128 22h ago
Almost like most of the time america has been inhabited there has been no need for fortresses
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u/HueySchlongTheGreat 22h ago
Mon St Michael took like 800+ years to build up into the state it is now while whatever is bellow took 1 to 3 years to build
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u/Sokandueler95 21h ago
Mont st Michael is a beautiful castle, not nearly the ugliest. The ugliest would be one of the ruined square Norman forts in England.
Also, America has castles, but they are mostly very fancy residences as the use of fortified palatial fortresses was largely done away with by the time of the American colonization. Examples such as Fort St. Augustine are examples of a time of pragmatic star forts designed to take on cannons, not display noble wealth and power projection.
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u/Nuance007 ILLINOIS 🏙️💨 21h ago
The person who made this meme is so utterly unaware of how different countries on different continents will have different histories which, in the end, will affect language, architecture, food, government and values.
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u/Louisianimal09 LOUISIANA 🎷🕺🏾 20h ago
Almost like every single day one of ours were built after the invention of cannon warfare and firearms…
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u/Mayes041 20h ago
I love old masonry defensive structures and I'm super jealous of how many Europe enjoys. But people don't really know about Fort Jefferson in the Dry Tortugas. Awesome fort, and if you're including location I think it is up there with the coolest forts
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u/TheJSchnawg 19h ago
Both look super cool. I love castles and stuff like that but the simplicity of 19th century forts have a nice clean look to them. Also 19th century ones are more practical
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u/BenderTheBlack 19h ago
Fortresses don’t hold up well against even napoleonic era artillery. There wasn’t much use for them in the US other than frontier camps to protect against the natives
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u/skitzkant 18h ago
I mean it does look pretty nice come on guys, not any stronger than the American one tho
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u/skitzkant 18h ago
I mean it does look pretty nice come on guys, not any stronger than the American one tho
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u/Wrangel_5989 14h ago
American fortresses were built at a time when siege technology had caught up to the point where fortress tech stagnated. However they were actually meant to be used.
The traditional European fortress had gone out of use in the late 16th century, and star fortresses only lasted about another century after that. The European fortresses that were contemporary to American fortresses basically looked exactly the same as American ones.
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u/VortexFalcon50 14h ago
Theyve obviously never seen fort ticonderoga, dry tortugas, fort st augustine, fort mchenry, etc etc
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u/TatonkaJack UTAH ⛪️🙏 12h ago
Wow, pretending St Michel isn't one of the most iconic and beautiful fortifications in Europe lol
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u/Lostintranslation390 4h ago
Different time periods, cultures, types of warefare and needs.
Those European castles were built during a time where siege warefare was the norm. They were built to be self sustaining. A small town with a castle on a hill. Walls are well fortified and secure. The people in the castle are very important lords who wish to convey their power.
American fortresses were built to house military units and apply pressure to local areas. They are constructed quickly. There is no lord, thus no need to convey power.
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u/sErgEantaEgis 🇨🇦 Canada 🍁 1h ago
I hate cherry picking like this with a passion because it's so common even though it should take just a few braincells to realize it's stupid.
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u/totallynotaniceguy TEXAS 🐴⭐ 1d ago
the european fortress kinda reminds me of the town from the boxtrolls
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u/The_Real_Jerker 🇳🇱 Nederland 🌷 1d ago
Sorry but this is just true.
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u/Appropriate_Milk_775 VIRGINIA 🕊️🏕️ 1d ago
Except the part where mont st michel is considered one of the most architecturally impressive castles in the world.
Do the Dutch even have defensive fortifications or do they just let the French, Spanish and Germans conquer them whenever they’re in the mood?
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u/Bloke101 1d ago
Don't forget the English get to sink their fleet, even when we are on the same side.
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u/sixouvie 22h ago
Don't forget the French captured their fleet on horses (well it varies depending on who's recalling the events tbh)
The capture of the Dutch fleet at Den Helder if you want to look it up
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u/The_Real_Jerker 🇳🇱 Nederland 🌷 1d ago
Oh we have them alright and they're not ugly either but yeah this meme is obviously (very) exaggerated.
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u/Objective-throwaway 1d ago
I mean it is broadly. I think it’s more a difference of priority. Since the forts in America were intended as hubs for defense over a very large area on a frontier and castles were intended to also be residents for rich kings. American forts are fairly similar to Roman frontier forts
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u/The_Real_Jerker 🇳🇱 Nederland 🌷 23h ago
Yes and let me be clear I didn't criticize their practicality, only their looks.
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u/rsteroidsthrow2 1d ago
sOrRy tHiS iS TrUe
That’s what you sound like.
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u/The_Real_Jerker 🇳🇱 Nederland 🌷 1d ago
Oh no my kryptonite... Yeah I really don't care, I'm just saying that I've never seen a good-looking American castle, that's it.
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u/Solintari IOWA 🚜 🌽 1d ago
That’s because we started in the imperial age and skipped the castle age tutorial.
I’m just going to spam your base with trebuchets and maxed out monks ngl.
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u/BreadDziedzic TEXAS 🐴⭐ 1d ago
I mean it's not exactly a fair comparison since it is a castle, should have picked a star fort assuming any still exist over there.
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u/Life_Faithlessness90 20h ago
They are so consumed by their former monarchist rulers. Feudal vassals were forced to build these for incestuously fat monsters, and now they are kissing monster ass to brag about their slavery building those achievements. None of the culture of the European nations would exist if not for their history of being ravaged by their incestuous noble class for centuries. They've been led by turds with the same equivalent value of our next president, but repeatedly, for centuries, it's part of their DNA. Leave it to them to project all their weaknesses as things they claim we, only, have a monopoly on.
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