r/woahthatsinteresting Oct 01 '24

I'm glad she is growing but how is this even possible?

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u/GateTraditional805 Oct 02 '24

Rather than assume we’re defending someone nobody here really knows or gives a shit about, what if you paid attention to your tone and rhetoric and considered why others might look down on you for it? You created a strawman of women you don’t like to refer to as “entitled, attention hungry, gold-digging whores”. That’s just not how happy people talk about other people. How many of these gold digging whores do you know in your life? How did you manage to demonstrably prove they’re gold digging whores? What is a whore? Do you call men whores? I’m guessing you don’t, because people who use this language the way you do generally reserve a one sided judgement exclusively for women.

For what it’s worth I don’t necessarily think you’re an incel- although that word really seems to rile you up too, which I find ironic given your own choice of words. I do think you were raised with a terrible view on women and you never grew past that like most other people do when they grow up. A person of integrity who’s willing to change might look at their words and say “shit you know what? Maybe I shouldn’t prop up strawman on the internet so I can call them attention seeking entitled whores. I don’t like that about myself, maybe I should figure out why that’s where my head goes when I get angry and start talking about women”.

But it looks to me like you’d rather double down and throw a tantrum and assume everyone around you is wrong. What you’re more likely to do is keep deflecting, take this conversation to the most agreeable person you know in real life, and seek validation from them on this. And you’ll probably get it either because a.) they were raised with similarly pathetic views they never grew past or b.)they realize this is just who you are and they find it easier or more convenient to capitulate on your views for the sake of your relationship with them.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '24

I'll give you a little background since you made a long argument and I actually want you to know where I'm coming from. I'm not going to say that you're wrong or anything similar, I'll just give you the opportunity to draw your own conclusion.

I grew up only with my mom. She's still a loving, supporting, and magnificent human being who has two college degrees and also had a great career (she's a pensioner now). She was always there for me and still is, so I wasn't attention-starved, or was I brought up in a patriarchal surroundings. In fact, quite the opposite.

Next, I have a loving wife who's highly educated and has a great career. She has my full support. I have a great job as well and we have two children. We do everything together. There are no "men's and women's" chores and it has been that way since the beginning mostly in part of my upbringing. We have two kids who we love to death and find all the time in the world for them. One of them is quite the little lady, in fact, but stubborn as hell.

Recently, I read about the amazing Bridgit Mendler who is a Disney actress, singer, Harvard JD, as well as a Space startup CEO.

These, women like these, and women who battle through life day by day, who focus on their family, or their career, or both, women who contribute to society are the women that warrant respect and I'll fight for that respect until my dying breath. As for the "body count" that the lady previously mentioned, taking the conversation in a horrifyingly wrong direction, I have huge respect for women in the adult industry because they have inexplicably difficult lives. They rarely form personal relationships and suffer from depression most of the time. So, that's really not the issue, as you can see.

What I can't stand is young women being entitled for absolutely no reason. Women asking for a guy that makes 401K, that is young, that is ripped, that has a house like this and a car like that, while she herself offers nothing, not even emotional support, no ambition, like, literally nothing. I won't comment on the looks, but you can safely add that as a deterrent too.

I'm talking about women like this:

https://www.instagram.com/manifestelle/reel/C2IkPZmhZug/

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

So, no. I don't consider myself a woman hater. I just value people for their actual values or better said - for what they value. If some of them don't have any or are detrimental to youth development and they happen to be women? I don't care. I'll speak my mind.

I hope that I was clear.

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u/GateTraditional805 Oct 02 '24

It sounds like you have a diligent family and I wish you all continued success.

I wasn’t aware of this Manifestelle person before you pointed them out, but a lot of what they’re saying does remind me of FDS content. I think that while it’s good to be aware that a small minority of women exist in that vacuum and ought not to be engaged with the same way you’d want to avoid someone in the red pill community, these folks aren’t representative of normal or healthy people.

I look at it like this: if I ask a woman on a date, (because it sounds like I don’t have to worry about this from my friends if this person considers that such a mortal sin) what are the odds they’re going to be the kind of person that would treat me that way?

Women who actually do hate men in the way that person does are so few and chronically online that I just don’t put that much thought toward them personally.

Your wife, mother, and daughters have all known good men in their lives and understand that people aren’t a commodity I presume, and I think actions speak loudly in that regard.

I also just don’t see the FDS movement gripping young women the same way I see red pill ideology gripping young men as a guy myself. Probably because I spend more time in places where red pill recruitment tactics are employed, but still. I know that red pill men are out there and that they make the world less safe for the women I love in my life and I’d rather those people weren’t around, but I also take care not to let it color my perspective of people outside that group too darkly.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that at the end of the day we are constantly bombarded with the furthest extremes on social media. The absolute worst of the worst or the “best of the best” of people that don’t paint an honest picture of reality and that it’s important we try to remind ourselves of that. I mean shit, look at all the conclusions I was willing to jump to about you before we’d even had a conversation!

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '24

And I may have jumped to a few conclusions, not really innocent myself. Glad we had this discussion. Thanks for the wishes and I wish you all the best myself.

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u/GateTraditional805 Oct 02 '24

Likewise, have a good one!