To get away with lying during a National Debate.

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[u/MAXanon12]

I was ASSURED that I could say anything and you wouldn't fact check it live. YOU BROKE THE RULES!

[u/3d1thF1nch → u/MAXanon12]

I wish they would just reply, "Welp, I guess we lied."

[u/TheOmegaKid → u/3d1thF1nch]

We lied, like you lied. How does it feel ya bichhh?

[u/SkuffetSkuffe → u/TheOmegaKid]

Grab a funnel, and cry into it, ya bichhh.

[u/mazdawg89 → u/SkuffetSkuffe]

You looking like an easy come up ya bish

[u/74ndy → u/3d1thF1nch]

He’s not allowed to fact check them either.

[u/eastbayweird → u/3d1thF1nch]

But they didn't. Not fact checking was mentioned nowhere in the official rules fir the debate

[u/ColoTexas90 → u/MAXanon12]

What a fucking joke this country is.

[u/twoprimehydroxyl → u/MAXanon12]

CBS doesn't want to be held liable for the political violence in Springfield.

[u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

"The rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check"

I can't believe this is 21st century USA. Unreal.

[u/Fit-Ranger8895 → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

He actually fucking said that. Isn’t he from Yale or something? What do they think a debate is?

[u/jzemeocala → u/Fit-Ranger8895]

well.... pretty much all of the Ivy League colleges have 2 type of enrollment.

the Academics.... And the Nepotists

[u/robotic_otter28 → u/jzemeocala]

Isn’t he from dirt poor WV?

Edit: He’s from Ohio. Idk why I thought WV, but apologies to the great folk of WV. I guess apologies to Ohio too….?

[u/3Me20 → u/robotic_otter28]

Nah. He’s set to inherit a local refrigeration conglomerate

[u/Dorkmaster79 → u/3Me20]

Um, what?

[u/House_of_Gucci → u/Dorkmaster79]

Google it, their company is called “Vance Refrigeration”

[u/Pyewhacket → u/House_of_Gucci]

Angry upvote

[u/LostCauseSPM → u/House_of_Gucci]

Who's Bob Vance?

[u/SavvikTheSavage → u/LostCauseSPM]

You have a lot to learn about this town, sweetie.

[u/grafxguy1 → u/SavvikTheSavage]

"Close your mouth, JD, you look like a trout."

[u/lightningspider97 → u/LostCauseSPM]

So what line of work are you into, Bob?

[u/LostCauseSPM → u/lightningspider97]

Hi! Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration!

[u/Ugo777777 → u/lightningspider97]

Possibly the funniest line in television history 🤣

[u/ArcherA87 → u/LostCauseSPM]

He's known as the fridge magnate

[u/JuniperTwig → u/ArcherA87]

Underrated comment

[u/Thomo251 → u/House_of_Gucci]

Never have I been so mad and amused at the same time.

[u/Xcyelm → u/House_of_Gucci]

Fuck. You got me 🤣

[u/randomrealname → u/House_of_Gucci]

Brilliant.

[u/hornswogglerator → u/Dorkmaster79]

Reference to the television show the office

[u/GlizzyGobbler2023 → u/Dorkmaster79]

You’ve got a lot to learn about this town, sweetie.

[u/Terry_Cruz → u/3Me20]

Boy am I glad that you clarified what line of work his dad was in.

[u/BlackCatSaidMeow13 → u/Terry_Cruz]

Coulda been a furniture salesman

[u/addamee → u/robotic_otter28]

His daddy is Peter Thiel 

[u/JimWilliams423 → u/addamee]

His sugar daddy.

Thiel paid $15M to buy him a senate seat when he had zero government experience. He is literally less qualified than sarah palin was — at least she ran a town and then a state. Most expensive senate race in history too.

[u/Creative_alternative → u/JimWilliams423]

Explains why he clearly has no idea how government operates given his expectation of executive branch cans and can nots.

[u/JimboTCB → u/Creative_alternative]

He knows damn well what the VP can and cannot do, but he's counting that his supporters don't.

[u/datpurp14 → u/JimboTCB]

And they don't! As a general rule of them, look at the lowest ranked states for education and then look at the red states. Sometimes a Venn Diagram can be just a circle.

[u/altaka → u/JimboTCB]

if you haven’t watched the documentary “stopping the steal” it clearly shows their followers no shit about how the govt. operates, or life for that matter. how cheeto has gotten away with so much is really fucked up.

[u/mortgagepants → u/Creative_alternative]

i would love to sit here and talk shit about couch fucking JD Vance but it seems he kind of does know how government works: richest candidate wins, tell whatever lies you want to a lied to populace while you do the bidding of your rich masters.

[u/Claudidio07 → u/robotic_otter28]

He's from Ohio. Don't put that evil on our state. We have enough trash representatives

[u/m3xlaw816 → u/robotic_otter28]

I hated how he tried to make it seem like he comes from the trenches… while charging”donations” of $5,000 and up per person at country clubs for meet and greets basically 🤣

[u/redactedname87 → u/m3xlaw816]

I felt so bad for his mother that he threw under the bus numerous times

[u/skw33tis → u/redactedname87]

If you think that was bad, he wrote an entire book throwing his family under the bus.

[u/Portarossa → u/redactedname87]

I feel so bad for his mother because... you know. Everything about him.

[u/Slumunistmanifisto → u/robotic_otter28]

He was a dei 

[u/robotic_otter28 → u/Slumunistmanifisto]

Yeah, but they don’t let idiots in just for DEI purposes. Like saying companies hire any POC off the street for diversity.

[u/SteampunkBorg → u/robotic_otter28]

That's what Republicans claim DEI is though. Because they do the same with unqualified white (or orange) people

[u/breachgnome → u/robotic_otter28]

Middletown, Ohio actually.

Smack dab in the middle of Cincinnati and Dayton - hence the name, Middletown. I can't comment on the state of the city, but it's not really rural. Nor is it Appalachian. And it certainly isn't West Virginia.

[u/Illustrious_Toe_4755 → u/robotic_otter28]

No, he's lied about his background.

[u/softcell1966 → u/robotic_otter28]

NO. Vance was raised in Ohio by a father who had a Union job and made roughly $75,000 a year in 2024 $$$. JD only visited his extended hillbilly family for a few weeks on summer break. He wrote Hillbilly Elegy based on his memories of those visits. It's frustrating as hell that more people don't know the most basic things about him.

[u/HenkVanDelft → u/robotic_otter28]

All of that Appalachian stuff in the book, and his claiming to be a respectable hillbilly (not being racist, it’s in the title) was just populist fantasy to start building a base for his political career.

Like his running mate, his reality is so distasteful the only solution was to spin lie after lie, knowing that intended MAGA base are prone to believing his put-on image of “round shouldered” Vance as a disadvantaged member of an underclass, the victim of serious DV, but also someone who “pulled himself up by his bootstraps.”

At least he didn’t claim to only have a small loan of a million dollars when “starting out with nothing.”

[u/JC_Everyman → u/jzemeocala]

Yes, the intellectually honest and the intellectually dishonest.

[u/DarkShopFOD → u/[deleted]]

I listened to a podcast a few months from the NYT called The Daily, and this episode covered his once transgender friend who went to Yale with him. He seemed like he used to be a thoughtful and caring person, and then things changed. It was a good episode that covered the dynamics of Vance. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/05/podcasts/the-daily/vance-friend-sofia-nelson.html

[u/datpurp14 → u/DarkShopFOD]

Because there are basically no subsets within the right side of the political spectrum in the states anymore.

At this point, if you're right, you're far right. It's career suicide for elected/appointed conservatives to not just back trump's entire platform. So regardless of who they were or what they previously believed, they have to follow a precise formula on who they are and what they currently believe if they would like to possibly continue their political career.

A number of impactful republicans voiced their disapproval for him in 2016 and some even maintained that stance in 2020. But have you seen, heard, or read about many on the right denounce drumpf in 2024? Because I haven't. And them being black listed, or at least threatened to be black listed, for their previous concerns & disapproval is likely a large factor why.

Diversity is good. It's ok to be open to things. It's ok that being open to things allows beliefs change and progress. The political scale in the states is full of different relativities for where exactly a person lies within their own side. A line goes on forever in both directions and has an infinite number of points within each side. A line is never meant to only have 2 options. And for the right side of the spectrum, it's painfully clear that there is only 1 position now. Trump's position.

[u/Dr-Satan-PhD → u/DarkShopFOD]

He seemed like he used to be a thoughtful and caring person, and then things changed.

Peter Thiel spent $15 million to buy him a Senate seat. That's what changed. He is wholly owned by far-right technofascists, and none of that hippie dippy Commie pinko "all people deserve equal rights" shit is allowed to cross his mind anymore.

[u/Beelzabubba → u/Fit-Ranger8895]

It’s a platform to spew lies with impunity, no?

[u/beyondthef → u/Fit-Ranger8895]

It's malice. Time to stop thinking they're just dumb, which you're not wrong, but everything they do and say is driven by pure malice.

[u/saw-it → u/Fit-Ranger8895]

His voters have the education of a 2nd grader, what did you expect?

[u/Rock_or_Rol → u/saw-it]

I was ___ days old when I learnened there are NINETY MILLION WWE FANS IN THE USA. I jokingly said we should bring back the 2/3rds amendment to apply to WWE fans. In my ignorance, I thought it was a non-impactful group of 2 million or something. I began to question how McMahon is worth billions and regrettably googled such horrible knowledge.

It all makes sense now. Trumps appearances on WWE. The demographic that buys into QAnon. The 4chan memes. The people that like Trumps cheesy name-calling, unnecessary confrontations, asinine tweets and general BS. The right wing podcasters. The bigotry

[u/datpurp14 → u/saw-it]

Because his voters lacking intellectual capacity and independent thought that comes from being educated is a feature and exactly what he and his cult want. They don't want people to ask why? They want sheep and as frustrating as it is, they have 70+ million sheep at their disposal.

And even saying that, not all 2nd grade educations are the same. They could have a 12th grade education, but if the means to get that particular education are intentionally and systemically dumbed down and reduced, then it is only worth how you compare to others receiving their relative educations with more support and resources.

And if your second grade education leads to voting to reelect a failed traitor & you continue believing the lies and misinformation constantly spewed from the cult's mouths, then your state doesn't care about your education or well being, unless you are a fetus that is.

[u/spdelope → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

What are the rules for the debate?

Both campaigns agreed to a 90-minute debate with two four-minute commercial breaks. Campaign staff are not allowed to interact with the candidates during the breaks.

There will be no audience — a measure also implemented during the two previous presidential debates.

At the event’s start, the moderators will introduce the candidates in order of the incumbent party, with Walz coming first. There will be no opening statements.

Walz will stand behind the lectern on the left side of the stage, which will be on the right side of viewers’ screens. Vance will be at the podium on the right side of the stage, but the left side of screens.

Candidates, who cannot bring pre-written notes or props on stage, will have two minutes to answer a question and two minutes to respond. They will be allowed one minute for rebuttals. At the moderators’ discretion, candidates may get an additional minute to continue a discussion.

Unlike the presidential debates, a candidate’s microphone will not be muted when their opponent is speaking, but CBS News reserves the right to turn off the microphones.

Vance won a virtual coin toss on Thursday, opting to go second with his closing statement. Each candidate will have two minutes for their closing remarks.

No topics or questions will be shared with the campaigns in advance.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vp-debate-2024-what-to-know/

Yeah I don’t see anywhere about not getting fact-checked.

[u/Saffer13 → u/spdelope]

A talking snake told him it wasn't going to be.

[u/hefoxed → u/spdelope]

As far as I can tell: AP misquoted CBS (from a video source that wasn't linked to, I'm guessing, thus other sources didn't fact check AP), saying they would not fact check. So since it was AP, it spread through the internet, and likely Vance saw that (or maybe there was also a miscommunication on rules within CBS).

So as far as I can tell, CBS intended for the candidates to do the primary fact checking, but the moderators could help (based on some of the quotes I can find -- cannot find a complete sentance clarify, just a bunch of snippets), aka what they tried to do,

[u/TheA1ternative → u/spdelope]

Yeah I don’t see anywhere about not getting fact-checked.

They mention it at the start of the debate itself that candidates are allowed to factcheck claims made by each other (timestamp provided in this link): https://www.youtube.com/live/hWva-5l_qB0?feature=shared&t=190

Edit: Fixed wording

[u/spdelope → u/TheA1ternative]

I can see that now but something has to be said about protecting the American people and legal status migrants from blatant lies disparaging the people. I see it as a journalistic duty to say what they said.

[u/Dr-False → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

How the heck is The Onion supposed to compete with this?

[u/Lebowquade → u/Dr-False]

Honestly? Ever since Trump took office they've been having a hard time keeping up.

[u/trailblazer88824 → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

You’re watching in realtime what used to be the Republican Party now MAGA trying to take over government and reform it (and society) through an intense propaganda campaign of lies and disinformation. It’s infecting the world like a cancer and in the USA it’s underpinned by a huge Christian nationalist movement tied to every tea party group you’ve ever heard of bolstered by huge corporate donors like the Koch brothers

[u/HomemadeSprite → u/trailblazer88824]

How do we eradicate this crazy ideology?

It’s like being caught in a bizarro world where the things they taught you actually sunk in and you look around at all the idiot kids you went to school with are running the place and they fucking struggled in 7th grade social studies and couldn’t answer the teacher’s questions but here they’re making the laws we get thrown in jail for violating.

How insane is that?

[u/No_Welcome_7182 → u/HomemadeSprite]

It’s like the Puritans trying to take over the entire country. The Christian version of the Taliban

[u/signaturesilly → u/No_Welcome_7182]

No. These are people protecting people with money and power, so they can have money and power. Puritans believed that hard work, discipline, and frugality were godly virtues; these people do not believe that.

[u/Cory123125 → u/HomemadeSprite]

How do we eradicate this crazy ideology?

Its hard to do because so many people want to see politics as this thing outside of life where they can just shrug, say both sides and be done with it.

I think people need to talk more about politics, realize its importance, and not be so passive in letting others off the hook for their insane beliefs.

[u/Legal-Inflation6043 → u/HomemadeSprite]

fox news... unless they're held accountable for their lies and misinformation, it's gonna be really hard to make any progress.

And I'm not talking censorship here. For example they could spew their lies but there would need to be big bold red letters on the corner clarifying they're not a real news organization, for entertainment purposes only, not factual information etc

[u/toss_me_good → u/Legal-Inflation6043]

Why not just go back to the 50s when they are forced to be honest otherwise their network was to be removed. The whole "we're entertainment and not news" argument is not made in good faith and typically doesn't hold up in any other court argument. The fact that Fox news could make that in court and remain a viable news channel is bonkers. Every news channel should be held to basic fact checking laws.

[u/SousVideDiaper → u/trailblazer88824]

Yep, they are striving hard to turn the US into a christofascist autocracy and it's working. Project 2025 will be the final nail in the coffin.

People need to stop dismissing this shit as something that won't happen when the evidence is all around us.

[u/sams_fish → u/SousVideDiaper]

Frank Zappa 1986: "The biggest threat to America today is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy, and everything that's happened during the Regan administration is steering us right down that pipe. [...] When you have a government that prefers a certain moral code derived from a certain religion and that moral code turns into legislation to suit one certain religious point of view, and if that code happens to be very very right wing, almost toward Attila the Hun."

[u/ooouroboros → u/trailblazer88824]

They don't want to reform the govt, they want to burn it to the ground - believing that the rule of law gives unfair advantage to the 'weak' - and replace it with 'might makes right' rule by tyrants.

[u/spdelope → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

[u/sleaziestsleaze → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

I said this on another sub, but US politics is like the fucking WWE at this point.

[u/RunicZade → u/sleaziestsleaze]

Well, one of the candidates IS a wrestling heel...

[u/sleaziestsleaze → u/RunicZade]

I really hope the USA knows that the rest of the world finds this hilarious. Donald trump is a fucking cartoon villain. He's a conman lining the pockets of himself and his cronies while taking notes from actual dictators like Putin and Jong Un. The fact that he got this far is fucking laughable. Sort your shit out.

[u/faceman2k12 → u/sleaziestsleaze]

Australian here, I think we're partly to blame by shitting onto the world the worst propagandist since Goebbels.

[u/sleaziestsleaze → u/faceman2k12]

Ahhh, if that's the case, my country have a lot to answer for, sending you cunts over there in the first place.

[u/faceman2k12 → u/sleaziestsleaze]

you guys did start that colony too.

[u/fakeuser515357 → u/sleaziestsleaze]

No, it's not. One side of US politics is running like it's the WWE.

[u/AdamBlaster007 → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

I refuse to believe this is my timeline and that instead Reddit is just showing me an alternate universe.

[u/FPSRocco → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

We have concepts of a fact check

[u/SuperBobit → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

Conservative sub saying it shows him standing up to the moderators. Can't believe they can't see the absolute mockery it makes of them. "He will only lie about things I want to hear and won't lie to me, he promised he wouldn't."

[u/Yousoggyyojimbo → u/SuperBobit]

Those people are so vile. Springfield is STILL getting death threats and shit over these lies, and that sub doesn't care and keeps cheering people on for spreading them.

[u/DJCaldow → u/SuperBobit]

They have been convinced that the phrase "fact check" means that a mainstream "lie" is being pushed over their "truth". They simply don't grasp the concept that their side's leaders are just making stuff up and that nothing they believe is real. 

Regular people heard him admit he's a liar but Conservatives genuinely heard Vance stand up for the "truth". It's genuinely terrifying that we can't even agree on what words mean anymore. They've literally isolated their base from being able to communicate with us.

[u/TruRateMeGotMeBanned → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

Welcome to 2024. Popcorn is $18. Want some?

[u/Zealousideal_Owl9621 → u/TruRateMeGotMeBanned]

You're a schmuck if you're paying $18 for popcorn.

[u/pinkocatgirl → u/Zealousideal_Owl9621]

This is why I watch movies at home with Costco popcorn lol

[u/Fij52 → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

This is what you get when you mix religion into your politics. Reality no longer matters and it’s dangerous af.

[u/spacemonkeysmom → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

Holy shit that was the first and only thing I picked up and was just sitting here stunned... that's EVEN WORSE than when he admitted/ clearly stated on national TV that they made up the "eating pets" story...

I mean WHAT IN THE FUUUUCK???

[u/JackieTree89 → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

And then to go on about Kamala "censoring Americans on misinformation" as if it's just their right to lie, spread hate speech, and stoke violence should just be accepted under the 1st amendment. Pretty telling that this has been, not only so a part of their playbook, but working for them too. Very Russian-esque.

[u/RogueFox771 → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

This fucking-...

I'm going to bed. Wake me up when I can either wake up as a girl, the world got it's shit together, or it ended

[u/pur0drl0k0 → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

Extended Clip for those who didn't watch the debate and need to see what actually happened.

[u/MoonMistCigs → u/Sqweegy-Nobbers]

Un. Fucking. Real. Someone please get me off this terrible ride.

[u/LogicPrevail → u/[deleted]]

I'd like it if they literally told them, "NO, you cannot speak. You are in TIME OUT until you learn to tell the truth."

[u/TheoSunny → u/LogicPrevail]

"Bad Vance! Bad Vance! You're grounded for the next four months and I'm taking away your couch, Xbox and phone!"

[u/Cosmicdusterian]

At this point, no Democrat should agree to any debate without a fact check. Otherwise, it's just Republicans lying through their teeth and the audience believing it.

Have a separate person designated as fact checker and fact check both candidates. Have a system of green-true, yellow-debatable and red-false check marks running under the candidates. The viewers deserve nothing less than an honest debate. It's up to those sponsoring them to provide it.

[u/SUBURBAN_C0MMAND0 → u/Cosmicdusterian]

But the American people wouldn’t believe the fact checkers anyway! They only believe whatever shit comes out of their candidates mouth.

[u/djthebear → u/SUBURBAN_C0MMAND0]

Seriously, people don’t even believe doctors and scientists and shit anymore.

[u/closethebarn → u/djthebear]

This and Fox News said that snoops was fake facts at one point

[u/SoundMasher → u/closethebarn]

Look, Snoop said whatever he needed to say, and I say we are all better off in the long run.

[u/JediKnightsoftheFSM → u/SoundMasher]

Loddy doddy we like to party
We don't cause trouble we don't bother nobody

From Snoops lips to a columbia records cassette tape I never paid for and straight to my heart. Snoop said what we needed to hear.

[u/blipsnchiiiiitz → u/JediKnightsoftheFSM]

Fact check: That was Slick Rick and Doug E Fresh. Snoop just covered / sampled.

[u/mostlygroovy → u/SUBURBAN_C0MMAND0]

Only a certain group of American people and it would only depend on who they were fact checking

[u/WriterV → u/mostlygroovy]

Yup. These debates aren't for people who have closed their ears and chosen flat out to vote R. These debates are for people who are still on the fence, or are voting R but feel bad about it and are looking for any reason for voting D being the right choice.

[u/SteampunkBorg → u/SUBURBAN_C0MMAND0]

Did you see the fact check lists from the Biden trump debate? Trump had numerous outright lies, while Biden had corrections like "it wasn't 30%, it was really closer to 25%". There are certainly different levels of fact checks

[u/Mattress_Of_Needles → u/Cosmicdusterian]

And you know what? Why do we have to see it live? Air it an hour or two later with full-on pop-up video fact checking.

[u/alip_93 → u/Mattress_Of_Needles]

But if the fact checking is done live, they can held accountable for their words and have to respond to the fact checking. There is no incentive to be honest if no one is going to call you out on the spot.

[u/pat_the_bat_316 → u/Cosmicdusterian]

I want to see a debate where they give the participants the questions a full week ahead of time. Then, 3 days before the debate, they must submit their responses to the moderators for full, in-depth fact-checking.

During the debate, each candidate can give a proper 5 min reply to each question using a teleprompter, which is followed by as much time as needed for the moderators to fact check each candidate.

If a candidate veers too far off from their prepared speech (beyond just a few generic stumbles, word changes, etc), the mic gets shut off, and they no longer get to respond to that question.

As much as we want to see candidates give off-the-cuff remarks and "think on their feet," that's not how politics work. Things in politics don't work that way. You don't decide things off the cuff, you worth with your team for days, weeks, and months and then present that plan to the people/congress/foreign leaders/etc. I want to see a debate that mirrors this practice. Not every debate, but at least one of them.

[u/Creepy-Candidate8669 → u/pat_the_bat_316]

I still think there's benefit to at least one off the cuff style interview in your approach. Generally that speaks to a level of preparedness and mental acuity. Not to toot my own horn, but judging from test scores and degrees and whatnot, I'm much smarter than the average person. I could ace anything I'm given time to compose an answer for, but I would utterly fail a real time debate like this. My brain just doesn't work like that. I excel with written communication, not verbal. I also shouldn't be in the running for politics because of that. Because it requires a bit of both.

In your situation though, it'd have to be like an hour before and in a locked room. Otherwise it will just be a PR team spinning non-answers. I want real thoughts.

[u/boris_casuarina → u/Cosmicdusterian]

Drinking game! Red flag up, bottoms up!

[u/MonsieurMisanthrope]

When you cry about people stating facts to counter your bullshit...

[u/erissian → u/MonsieurMisanthrope]

Well well well marg but but b but margr I think it's important because the debate margaret the rules were that you weren't going to ask me to move my desk again

porky pig ass couchfucker

[u/KittenWithaWhip68 → u/MonsieurMisanthrope]

I’m sure couchfucker especially hated being told what to do by a woman.

[u/fr4gge]

"Thew rules were that you were'nt gonna factcheck"?! So just openly admitting to lying then?

[u/KittenWithaWhip68 → u/fr4gge]

Pretty much, yeah!

[u/mmmbaconbutt → u/fr4gge]

I gotta here the spin on this one lmao

[u/OutComeTheWolves1966]

So basically, he had zero intentions of telling a single truth tonight, likely on orders from Cheeto Brain.

[u/Cador0223 → u/OutComeTheWolves1966]

He's been lying his whole life. He doesn't need the former Commander in Cheese to tell him to make ahit up.

[u/ColoTexas90 → u/Cador0223]

What did people expect from a couch fucker…

[u/WhiteTrash_WithClass → u/ColoTexas90]

I will give credit, it was brave of him to address and admit to the couch rumors. Everything else was trash though.

[u/KittenWithaWhip68 → u/OutComeTheWolves1966]

Well, MAGA Republicans never have ANY intention to tell the truth. But especially these guys. There have been dozens of bomb threats in Springfield since they spread THAT crazy bullshit

[u/JajaDingDong69-69]

“The rules were that you weren’t going to fact check.”

Yep. Being held to speaking about facts instead of fiction during a debate could be a high bar for some folks 🤔

[u/KittenWithaWhip68 → u/JajaDingDong69-69]

They sure hate being called on their bullshit, especially by a woman smarter than them.

[u/gerbils4]

[u/holiday1326 → u/gerbils4]

You forgot the eyeliner.. lol 😆

[u/CosmicLars → u/holiday1326]

[u/balloon_prototype_14 → u/holiday1326]

the nightman cometh

[u/MirSydney → u/gerbils4]

[u/_coolranch → u/MirSydney]

[u/TheLameness]

I must've heard that wrong... Because there's no way that a grown-up human being would say "you weren't supposed to stop me from lying." That's fucking insane

[u/Nozzeh06 → u/TheLameness]

On national TV no less and not even trying to hide it.

[u/TheLameness → u/Nozzeh06]

I know that this says something bad about me, but I am still shocked and amazed, every single day, by the dumb, completely senseless, and frighteningly offensive shit that these people say. It shouldn't shock me anymore, but it really does

[u/ghostly5150 → u/TheLameness]

Me and my wife watched the intro to the daily show last night because we happen to be at a hotel that doesn't have Netflix, there were multiple times we had to look at each in shock in the stuff trump said over the weekend. I'm right there with you!

[u/Extreme-Carrot6893]

This is the meme and the motto for the Republican Party “the rules were no fact checking”

[u/KittenWithaWhip68 → u/Extreme-Carrot6893]

“Especially by a woman.”

[u/49orth → u/KittenWithaWhip68]

"Margaret, the rules were that you weren't gonna fact-check."

Republican voters don't understand what this means...

[u/JCarnageSimRacing → u/49orth]

It means that Margaret is a democrat operative out to make JD look bad.

that’s how they see things.

[u/TalonCompany91 → u/[deleted]]

[u/THIS_IS_YOUR_MOTHER_ → u/TalonCompany91]

I hate you.

[u/Shoddy-Rip8259 → u/THIS_IS_YOUR_MOTHER_]

I love you

[u/Mouth0fTheSouth → u/Shoddy-Rip8259]

I don’t have strong feelings either way

[u/Path_Fyndar → u/Mouth0fTheSouth]

I have very strong feelings both ways

[u/darkenseyreth → u/Mouth0fTheSouth]

Tell my wife I said... hello.

[u/doubleohbond → u/TalonCompany91]

Damn this took a couple loops before I caught on

[u/Losttomythoughts → u/doubleohbond]

Almost there, just keep watching.

[u/toolfan21 → u/TalonCompany91]

My brain tickles

[u/spdelope → u/TalonCompany91]

And there I was, sitting on the edge of the toilet, for an additional 5 minutes staring intently at my phone waiting for the ending I so whole-heartedly deserved…..and you STOLE THAT AWAY FROM ME!!

[u/MeThinksYes → u/spdelope]

[u/shaboobalaboopy510 → u/TalonCompany91]

I am trying my damnedest to make sense of this and all it's doing is breaking my brain

[u/spdelope → u/shaboobalaboopy510]

“Ok, good.”

—JD Vance. Clearly taken from here

[u/ghost3972 → u/TalonCompany91]

Shit actually had me confused

[u/jpopimpin777 → u/[deleted]]

I wish they'd pressed him on that. "Sir, are you saying that you only would've agreed to do the debate if you were allowed to lie?"

[u/JuanPabloElSegundo → u/jpopimpin777]

JD is on the record stating that he'd lie to advance his own positions.

[u/ineedasentence → u/[deleted]]

this is the most important line from the debate. he knowingly lies and is mad that he can’t lie unchecked. what horrible candidates

[u/SUBURBAN_C0MMAND0 → u/[deleted]]

What were the rules again?

[u/Zerostar39 → u/SUBURBAN_C0MMAND0]

[u/Jenbie171 → u/Zerostar39]

When your race has changed life can be real strange

[u/iDontRememberCorn → u/SUBURBAN_C0MMAND0]

I just cannot fucking believe this reality.

[u/VanceAstrooooooovic → u/[deleted]]

THEY ARE EATING THROUGH DOGS!!

[u/NovelNeighborhood6 → u/[deleted]]

Fight Club has way too many rules these days.

[u/ungawa]

I…I…I was told I could lie here

[u/neutron500]

Why was the clip cut short

[u/eafry → u/neutron500]

Yeah the longer clip with context is even better.

He tried to add context to the fact-checking by saying:

There's an application, called the "CBP One" App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a 'Kamala-Harris-Open-Border' wand. That's not a person coming in for a green card and waiting for 10 years, that is the facilitation of illegal immigration by our own leadership.

And the moderator responds with:

Thank you for describing the legal process, Senator.

And Tim responds with:

Those laws have been in the books since 1990.

[u/TinoCartier]

Absolutely insane moment. “Hey! That’s no fair. You guys said you weren’t going to call me out on my bullshit!”

[u/StockQuahog → u/TinoCartier]

Basically said be if you’re going to fact check I need more time and kept talking

[u/McbEatsAirplane]

“The rules were you guys weren’t gonna fact check”

aka

“I should be able to say whatever I want unchallenged, even if it’s bullshit.”

[u/Gelandequaff]

“This is unfair, I was told I could lie with impunity tonight.”

[u/thunderhawk86]

What was said after it got cut off

[u/Pear-Proud → u/thunderhawk86]

He explained the position. Most notably, he talked about a policy that allows illegal migrants to obtain immediate online permission to stay here (after they entered illegally). He claimed that system was part of VP Harris’ executive policy.

He changed his wordage from “illegal migrants” to “those that migrated illegally” to appease the “fact checker”.

[u/brickiex2]

"The rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check" - JD Vancce

This needs to be on billboards everywhere along with his weird face.

Let's get that quote on t-shirts everywhere (without the face thanks)

The video/audio clip should be on every tv and radio newscast 8 times a day..

[u/Rolandscythe]

It's extremely telling when you go to a debate with a political opponent and have to make a big deal about being fact checked, JD.

[u/sekirodeeznuts2]

The problem he has is them undermining what hes saying by putting facts out after everything he says to make it seem as though hes lying even though nothing he said was a lie. CBS just wants what they say to resinate with people not the points Vance is making.

[u/DrSamwpepper]

This should in a logical world be the end of JD Vance's political career.

[u/LiveLaughTurtleWrath → u/DrSamwpepper]

Theres a lot of people in politics that need to be prosecuted for treason

[u/TheRealEnemabagJones]

[u/woShame12 → u/TheRealEnemabagJones]

This is not 'Nam...there are rules.

[u/Global-Comedian-5100]

No matter if you’re Republican or Democrat, you should always be fact checked. Lies should never be allowed to be accepted as truth

[u/WhinyWeeny]

Clearly everyone here just watched a few 30 second clips and never saw the full debate.

If you watch the full thing it was a refreshing display of polite disagreement that stayed on policies and avoided stupid bickering or sound bites. They both did a great job. Yes. Even the one I didn't agree with.

[u/Chemical_Actuary_190]

What a chode.

[u/hellachode → u/Chemical_Actuary_190]

I take offense!

[u/mbullaris → u/hellachode]

Username checks out.

[u/I_Am_AWESOME-O_]

Lmao when I heard him say they weren’t going to fact check - what a fucking loser.

[u/Newsaroo]

The rules are about peaceful transfer of power

[u/mbeenox]

Got checked with a left hook.

[u/ZealousidealRiver710]

Play the full clip

[u/jarbru67]

Vance crushed walz.

[u/sheepwshotguns]

as an undecided voter i was leaning towards trump before the debate, but i was a bit concerned with vance. after waltz repeatedly reassured me that vance was an honest broker im now convinced that trump/vance is the right way to go. i was looking for an anti-war candidate with regards to israel and i think only trump is pushing that message.