r/facepalm • u/Rave4life79 • Jul 12 '24
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u/CalendarAggressive11 Jul 12 '24
It's crazy that the epstein docs were released over a week ago and I have not heard 1 news report about it at all
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u/muaddict071537 Jul 12 '24
Probably because a lot of the rich and powerful people on the list can buy their silence.
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u/BLOODTRIBE Jul 12 '24
Who do you think are in charge of the media companies? Also, Trump is ratings gold for these âinstitutionsâ. They have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to increase ratings.
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u/Unabashable Jul 12 '24
The frickinâ news has a fiduciary responsibility to shareholder. What a country we live in.Â
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u/nanotree Jul 12 '24
You shouldn't be able to label a company as a "news media" company if it is publicly traded.
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u/dscDropper Jul 12 '24
Pretty sure that news companies arenât selling news to people but rather advertising exposure to other companies. Readers are the product. A paper that relied on its readers for income would behave differently from one who relies on advertisements.
Keeping the reader well-informed vs fabricating outrage to drive engagementâŚ
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u/biAndslyReporter Jul 12 '24
That's a pretty on-point description, from a journalist at the local level. Ad revenue is where it's at, also why Nielsen ratings were so important for TV stations, and why they steer you toward their websites, rather than keeping it on social media. I'd say some still want to keep you informed, but more about keeping you informed within their narrative, at least among the big stations.
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u/ApprehensiveTry5660 Jul 12 '24
This is why I reward long form journalism so much more these days with my attention span. Especially the more involved pieces of it.
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u/Joball69 Jul 12 '24
This is what happens when only 6 companies own all the major news outlets.
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 Jul 12 '24
right? It's called end stage capitalism and it's here.
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u/vetruviusdeshotacon Jul 12 '24
Not end stage. Wait for the housing crash when private equity buys every house and everyone is priced out forever
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u/pipesBcallin Jul 12 '24
Kinda like Blackrock and other large financial institutions have been?
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u/vetruviusdeshotacon Jul 12 '24
Yeah but it's still only like 3% of homes. Late stage capitalism is when all basic survival needs are controlled by an oligopoly of private corporations that are more powerful than governments
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u/dotnetdotcom Jul 12 '24
The board of directors has a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. Reporters have a responsibility to report the news.
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u/CornDoggyStyle Jul 12 '24
fiduciary responsibility
Awww, a fellow fallout enjoyer!
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u/suhmyhumpdaydudes Jul 12 '24
Lol maybe thatâs where you learned the term but its always been a part of wall street and publicly traded companies.
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u/KickedInTheHead Jul 12 '24
... so it's not some type of exotic bird? Cause that's what I immediately thought of when I read that word. Smart words that start with the letter "F" always throw me for a loop.
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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM Jul 12 '24
i did not find your comment itself funny but i find it hilarious that everyone else who is replying to you is taking you totally seriously
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u/CornDoggyStyle Jul 12 '24
They think I'm saying the show made up the term, maybe? So now they're replying to me to tell me how proud they are that they already know what fiduciary responsibility means lol.
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u/stho3 Jul 12 '24
Itâs because a lot of these rich and powerful people mingle with one another. Those financial guys on the list like Leon Black mingles with the higher ups of those media conglomerates that own CBS, NBC, and ABC. They protect their own.
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u/angelomoxley Jul 12 '24
The Leon Black I know would get in that ass. Get. In. That. Ass.
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u/tp736 Jul 12 '24
And leave it open, so they know you've been there.
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u/banananananbatman Jul 12 '24
Throw crumpled up newspaper and snicker wrappers on the floor and spray paint you were there
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u/CaptainFleshBeard Jul 12 '24
Iâve not seen anything about it besides Reddit comments, where can we see the info ?
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u/Dodger7777 Jul 12 '24
Damn, Cursive, one of my many weaknesses.
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u/godfatherinfluxx Jul 12 '24
Was for my teachers too. But that was only because my handwriting is shit. Now I barely use it and my printing is that of a 7 year old which is when they taught me cursive and said I could only use that from then on. In fifth grade someone's handwriting was so bad they were told to type everything so they got a laptop, in 1992.
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u/Trash_RS3_Bot Jul 12 '24
Wot in the fuck are we suppose to do with the 176 pages. wHeR are the journalists
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u/Viperlite Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
At the press conference with Biden asking him how good a president he thinks Kamala would make on day one of his second term. This place is losing it.
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u/welcometothejl Jul 12 '24
I typed "Trump" and "Donald" in the document search and nothing came up. What should I look for?
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u/heisheavy Jul 12 '24
Itâs because the sections where his name is mentioned are copies of hand-written notes and not searchable. Plus, names have been redacted. But based on previous documents, itâs clear Trump is one of the redacted names.
So, that is why your query doesnât produce results.
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u/Geodesic_Disaster_ Jul 12 '24
Can you give a page number where trump is mentioned? (or where its clear that his name is the one redacted?) I don't see it but also thats a lot of cursive pages lol
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u/welcometothejl Jul 12 '24
I was thinking I could just give it a skim through and then thought, oh fuck, this is gonna be a chore. If anyone reads this, maybe they could point us to a YouTube video that shows the evidence people are talking about.
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u/1292norr Jul 12 '24
Yâall are hilarious.
âWhy is no one talking about it, itâs a huge deal and I care so much about it!â
âAlmost 200 pages? Fuck that.â
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u/bailtail Jul 12 '24
I read it. Iâm still not finding him. Please provide a page number where I should look.
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u/phro Jul 12 '24 edited Aug 04 '24
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Jul 12 '24
Iâve read it two times now and canât find Trumpâs name anywhere, can someone point me in the right direction?
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u/CalendarAggressive11 Jul 12 '24
Apparently more docs were released on July 9th too
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u/camwow13 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Most of the info dropped in 2016 and is covered in this very comprehensive Vox article. Not a ton of new stuff was released this year so far from what I've seen. The TLDR is that the case doesn't have very strong evidence and got pretty bizarre to the point of the reporter wondering if some of the people she interviewed were even real. The general sketchiness of pretty much every source with hard allegations involved in this one, as well as the lack of new info in the latest document dump, is why it hasn't taken off in mainstream media.
A quick Google search turned up these additional articles
WaPost - Trump and Epstein: No links shown in latest documents
New York Magazine - What the Jeffery Epstein Documents reveal about Donald Trump
ABC News - Discredited Claims about Clinton Trump mentioned in latest batch of Epstein docs
General disclaimer. Trump sucks. He has assaulted women in other very credible events. Vote blue in November. Use critical thinking though. Get hard and credible sources. Don't get carried away in conspiracy theories on social media.
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u/AccomplishedSuit1004 Jul 12 '24
Thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I was trying to find. People have been posting court docs the last few days that are highlighted with the salacious details, but no context. Iâm sure many have been led to believe that this is a current case recently filed
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Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Reddit is a big fail whale on certain topics. After a while you get a sixth sense about what commentary to discount. "Every single news outlet is suppressing this story!!!" Maybe... or maybe Reddit is having a massive brain fart again and every news outlet with actual journalists looking into things is staying away for a reason.
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u/TimTom8321 Jul 12 '24
The media in general is more left leaning - if they just would've blamed Fox news, for example, I could half believe them without checking about it too much.
But the claim that all the news outlets try to hide Trump's supposed rape is absurd - most of them absolutely hate him. In general the internet and probably most organizations are more left leaning.
I'm sure they'll next claim that Apple and Google are trying to hide stuff about Trump and "Project 2025" in their news feeds, when those companies are clearly left and likes to talk about DEI and pride all the time.
And no, I'm not a Republican...I'm not even American. I just don't like lies and exaggerations - which are the cause why so many believe Trump raped children on Epstein's island without any real evidence for it, like this discussion concluded for now.
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u/boxofmatchesband Jul 12 '24
Thank you for saying this, I donât think itâs just an elitist conspiracy as many of the other commenters are saying. If there was sufficient evidence this would be front page news.
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u/sennbat Jul 12 '24
I mean, it is an elitist conspiracy, in that the elites involved managed to cover things up well enough that we can't be sure of what happened specifically although it was definitely bad, although very possibly not specifically this.
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u/kahanalu808shreddah Jul 12 '24
What youâre thinking of wasnât released a week ago. It was released years ago and was covered at the time. The thing that was released a little over a week ago didnât have anything to do with Trump, someone on Twitter just confused the two sets of documents and went viral and now everyone thinks that these new docs are the ones from years ago
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u/Cabrill0 Jul 12 '24
The worst part about pointing this out on reddit is people just automatically assume you're some maga nut.
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u/3to20CharactersSucks Jul 12 '24
The Democrats here are acting in very similar ways to the maga people they've been making fun of for a decade now. Any criticism is weakening the movement and must be silenced. If it's an attack on Trump, it doesn't need to be entirely correct. If the media narratives don't match social media narratives, it's because of a conspiracy. Many are quick to denounce people with different views as Russian trolls or some imagined idea of a Bernie voter who didn't vote for Hillary 8 years ago.
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u/MyPigWhistles Jul 12 '24
It's probably because many names appear in those documents, but that in itself isn't illegal. It's also not really surprising that ultra rich fucks all know each other and have some sort of connection.
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u/confusedandworried76 Jul 12 '24
Also none of it is particularly new, just more of the same stuff we already knew, and also I hear about it ten times a day so I really don't know where y'all are getting your news.
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u/Impossible_Moose_783 Jul 12 '24
Remember the Panama papers? Reporter assassinated over it? Most here donât either.
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u/holydildos Jul 12 '24
It'd be nice if the whole documents we're actually there and they weren't modified and redacted
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u/4T_Knight Jul 12 '24
Wasn't Twitter trending something regarding that, and it went from 100k to 10k all of a sudden? It didn't matter if they were tagging prominent reporters or journalists on television, it's like they're simply not acknowledging it. Somehow I'm not surprised, but I am quite disappointed in what is considered priorities.
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u/Conscious_String_195 Jul 12 '24
I donât think there is anyone important in it, which both sides would like to claim, but canât.
Why canât the feds get any info from Maxwell on who/what/where/when, etc.?
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u/MedaurusVendum Jul 12 '24
If both US major parties had any sense, one would be sent to an elderly home and the other to jail, then start looking for candidates that can at least finish two terms without reaching 65
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u/Kage-Oni Jul 12 '24
Yeah. Republicans will just put forth another far right candidate like Cruz, DeSantis.... they're such Trump suck ups they've completely deviated from being moderates. Well Cruz was always a bit extreme but the party as a whole has lost its mind. The decent ones with a conscious got out. As for Democrats who is a compelling candidate. Warren? Harris? I could Governor Whitmer taking a run but not this cycle. I wish Bernie Sanders was younger lol.
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u/SlightDesigner8214 Jul 12 '24
I would love a world where Pete Buttigieg, being the most articulate, intelligent and balanced person would be elected.
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Jul 12 '24
I would love a world where voters would look at policy instead of how articulate someone is. Stupid people support stupid politicians.
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u/play-what-you-love Jul 12 '24
That's why articulate is not enough in itself, hence "intelligent" and "balanced". Implicitly that means being able to push for good policies that take into account reality/facts as well as addressing the needs/anxieties of both sides of the political divide.
In some circles someone like Ben Shapiro would pass off as "articulate", and definitely "intelligent", but no way in hell is he balanced. He once compared waiting in line at Disney Land to waiting in line to cast a vote, as though taking a ride at Disney were a constitutionally protected right and if you could wait in line for hours at one at the former, you could definitely wait in line for hours at the latter.
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u/razenas Jul 12 '24
Articulate, intelligent, and balanced are everything we need in a presidency.... You forget how little actual legislative power a president holds themself, but their presentation to the US citizens and the international powers is a key part of the role. We need a strong and diverse cabinet, moderate stances on policy, and uncorruptable pockets.
As it is, people are already voting on "policy" by blindly voting for the biggest extremists in their respective party... It's either giant douche, or turd sandwich with no in between.
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u/TParis00ap Jul 12 '24
Wil Hurd. Republican from Texas, former CIA, cyber dude, friends with O'Rourke. Wish he didn't retire.
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u/Willing_Round2112 Jul 12 '24
Kinda this
One is a human shit stain, the other said zelensky's the president of russia
Unless Biden's an oracle, he's not fit to run ofr presidency either
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u/Survival_R Jul 12 '24
Didn't he say putin is the president of Ukraine
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u/Willing_Round2112 Jul 12 '24
I believe he introducent zelensky as putin
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u/Its0nlyRocketScience Jul 12 '24
He did, while saying (paraphrased) "here's the president of Ukraine, president Putin!"
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u/davidmatthew1987 Jul 12 '24
He corrected himself but yeah at some point we need to cut our losses đ
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u/DonnyMox Jul 12 '24
VOTE!
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u/RepresentativeRun71 Jul 12 '24
Weâve had news about how bad Mango Mussolini is for 10 years straight. It hasnât changed the minds of the huge chunk of people that have drank his Kool-Aid.
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u/DivineDegenerate Jul 12 '24
Yeah fr. Like his Epstein connections were already well known. Epstein's comments about how Trump "liked them young" were public. Trump is known for sexualizing and perving on his own daughter. Even if we didn't have concrete proof, it would be mind blowing if he wasn't a pdfile. Everyone with half a brain already knew the guy was a child rapist. Everyone who didn't know was already deep in the indoctrination.
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u/Kaleban Jul 12 '24
You could literally post video of Trump drinking the blood of babies while shooting people in Times Square naked and boning his daughter all at the same time and his cult would still vote for him and swear that Biden is jUst 2 oLD.
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Jul 12 '24
I like the argument that Biden is too old, while still giving their vote to an orange reanimated corpse.
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Jul 12 '24
âBIDENS TOO OLD!â
proceeds to endorse 3 year younger candidate
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u/Ricky_Rollin Jul 12 '24
You canât make this shit up.
Old Cult 45 followers are a special kind of sycophant.
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u/TougherOnSquids Jul 12 '24
Trump was saying that Biden was too old to be president in 2020. Trump is now older than Biden was in 2020. I wish he would get called out on that more in the debates because he either A) Doesn't actually believe it, or B) Thought Biden did well enough despite his age.
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u/fothergillfuckup Jul 12 '24
Isn't their only 3 years between them?
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u/UnlikelyKaiju Jul 12 '24
Yup. Trump is now older than Biden was during the 2020 election. The GOP has been criticizing Biden's age the entire time, but they have been completely silent on Trump's age and his (further) deteriorating mental state.
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u/PuzzleheadedMess3455 Jul 12 '24
350 million people in your country and these two old wheeze bags are the best you can put up for the highest office? .... that's a very sad truth
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u/pouringadrink Jul 12 '24
If only we could somehow get more than two choices...
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u/Say_Echelon Jul 12 '24
Nothing to do with two choices. Our primary electorate system is broken. We do not choose the party nominee. Shit we barely choose the president
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u/Some1sNickName Jul 12 '24
You say that like itâs a choice. They both suck but theyâre what weâve got right now, and weâve gotta pick the one that doesnât try to fuck his daughter.
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u/ughthat Jul 12 '24
I know I am going to get downvoted for this. And Iâd vote for a literal bag of đŠ before I would vote for Trump. But these types of twitter and Facebook posts are just getting infuriating.
They are the worst form of whatabouism that detracts from the actual problem. We get it. Biden is the better choice. She is not going to convince anyone who is set on voting for Trump with this tweet. And it just detracts from the real conversations that should about how we got into this mess in the first place and how we are going to fix it. Itâs not like electing either of them is going to fix the completely broken two party system. At this point these Twitter and fb posts are just engagement farming.
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u/Witchy_bimbo Jul 12 '24
I absolutely agree we need to have that conversation in a very, very real way. But we probably wonât be able to have that conversation if he doesnât win. So I think itâs about banding together for that and then addressing it. If he loses, I donât think thereâs much left to fight for.
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u/WhnWlltnd Jul 12 '24
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/pennsylvania/trump-vs-biden
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/wisconsin/trump-vs-biden
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/nevada/trump-vs-biden
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/michigan/trump-vs-biden
Biden needs to win at least three of these states but is currently losing all of them. You can dismiss them as flawed if you want, but you can not deny the downward trend. Turning a blind eye to this could very well be our undoing. And there's no real chance that Biden will be able to turn this tide as long as he keeps showing his feeble mental acuity. He'll keep making these glaring gaffes well into the future. It's just the reality of old age. That's not going to drive turnout.
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u/KalaronV Jul 12 '24
....Unless the reason we lose is because he couldn't win, which the polling shows. Then it would behoove us to have the conversation about fixing the nomination of Biden right now.
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u/context_lich Jul 12 '24
Exactly, it's not about one bad debate being worse than Trump. It's about the candidate that we put forward making it more likely that Trump wins. In a critical moment like this, it'd feel a lot better to have a strong candidate people believed in rather than a candidate that we're constantly making excuses for.
I just keep getting flashbacks to the first time Trump was elected. People wanted Trump. People were kind of meh about Hillary. We could've put forward a progressive candidate people believed in back then with Bernie, but we put forward a nothing candidate because no one thought Trump could win. Here we are yet again. People still really want Trump. No one really wants Biden. Hopefully people dislike Trump enough for Biden to win again, but I'd feel better if we put up someone who people really wanted to win. At least, someone who isn't scaring people with how old he is.
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u/ughthat Jul 12 '24
You are absolutely right about needing to win the election first and banding together. But I just donât think these posts do anything to make us band together. At least for me personally itâs doing the exact opposite.
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u/johnnywheels Jul 12 '24
Exactly. "Hey, maybe Biden is not the best candidate to beat Trump, maybe Harris or Whitmer or?.." DOES NOT equal "Welp, he's too old I'm voting Trump!".
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u/84147 Jul 12 '24
While I don't want Trump as president, Biden didn't just have "a bad night", the man is obviously too old to be president.
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u/BRValentine83 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 13 '24
"President Putin, Vice President Trump," etc., etc. It's not one bad night. He saved us from the madman in 2020. It's time to let someone else do the same.
Harris, Whitmer (my choice a year ago), Booker, Klobuchar, Secretary Pete, I don't care. Someone energetic and articulate would beat the madman into the ground and keep him under it forever.
Anyone who supports women's rights, democracy and the rule of law. We can't have a lunatic president with immunity. LFG.
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u/Ok-Wedding-9439 Jul 12 '24
Wow thanks some sanity. The emperor has no clothes.
The pro-Biden propaganda on social media (especially Reddit it seems) is insane and blatant. The dude is going to lose against Trump if you pit them against each other. I don't want Trump, and if push comes to shove I hope Biden wins every day of the week, but I have no faith that he will.
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u/ShittyOfTshwane Jul 12 '24
It's all good and well to want someone else to take over from Biden, but you should be prepared for the almost certainty that he won't get replaced. And if Biden isn't getting replaced, you can't exactly afford to be shitting on the only thing with a chance of keeping Trump out of office.
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u/guyincognito121 Jul 12 '24
Meh. I've heard just about enough of this "one bad debate" bullshit. I voted for him in 2020, and in the primary. I'll vote for him again if he's the one on the ballot in November. But that was an absolute trainwreck, and it was not a one-off. He's been like that before, he'll be like that again, and I don't appreciate anyone trying to tell us that it's not significant
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u/EagleCatchingFish Jul 12 '24
Today he referred to Zelensky as Putin, and Jon Stewart had a compilation of a bunch of similar episodes. He's 81. He looks and sounds like he's 81. They keep trying to downplay it, but any time he speaks publicly, it's a risk because this is how his mind works now. I still will and think everyone should vote for whomever is the democratic candidate this November, but we're seeing what we're seeing, and we'll see more of it.
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u/--rafael Jul 12 '24
He doesn't sound 81. Both my grandmas are over 81, they don't sound confused and they don't keep making the mistakes Biden does. He sounds like he has dementia or some other similar mental problem.
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u/Active2017 Jul 12 '24
I interact with A LOT of nursing home patients. Iâve met extremely sharp 90 year olds, and very bad off 65 year olds. Biden definitely would lie somewhere in the middle. He seems like if I asked him what year it was and where he is at right now, heâd have to think about it for a minute. He might even say the wrong year.
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u/Moppermonster Jul 12 '24
Agreed.
Still, 4 years ago the mantra was "rather an old boot than Trump". So de facto nothing changed.It is however ironic that Trump makes much, MUCH bigger gaffes than Biden and people simply do not care...
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u/gremlinfat Jul 12 '24
Things have changed. Iâve talked to a few friends that donât follow politics at all, but voted Biden in 2020. They still wonât vote Trump, but they arenât voting for Biden this time. Those are the people in the swing states that matter. If they are undecided still, they apparently donât know all the bad about Trump. They do know that prices are high, and Biden can barely fucking talk. Thatâs enough to stop them from supporting him.
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u/Zardinio Jul 12 '24
Daily reminder, Michigan uncommitted voters in the Democratic primary were 123k, whereas Biden won that state by like 53k votes in 2020.
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u/NailFinal8852 Jul 12 '24
Basically voting for Kamala. Heâs declining mentally by the month. Thereâs no way heâll last another 4 years
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u/muaddict071537 Jul 12 '24
I honestly wouldnât be surprised if he didnât make it to November. No way heâll finish out a second term. Even without his declining mental state, heâs just old. Heâs 81. Heâd be 86 by the time his second term was over (his birthday is in November, and heâd leave office in January). People that age can just die for no apparent reason.
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u/MafiaGT Jul 12 '24
The thing is, Trump is also old as fuck. And, he's far less healthy than Biden.
The Biden is old bit has perpetuated into the dem circles and that's just a battle won for team Trump, unfortunately.
They're both old. Fuck, this is getting tired.
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u/Joseph_Colton Jul 12 '24
Biden didn't just have a bad debate night. He's just introduced Selenski as Vladimir Putin...whenever he doesn't have a teleprompter to read off of, he can't hide his dementia any longer. The man is unfit for the most responsible office of all Western countries. Regardless how bad other people might have behaved, do you have a faint idea what that means?
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u/Mindless-Policy3236 Jul 12 '24
One bad night ?
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u/prodirtsmoker Jul 12 '24
Imagine if they had not hid him for the last, what year? Bet there was a few more we didnât see, just sayin.
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u/25885 Jul 12 '24
Ofcourse, take him to court. But âoneâ? Joe was not ok 4 years ago and it has been a sharp decline since then.
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u/POINTLESSUSERNAME000 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
I want outrage for ALL of the names in the Epstein logs!
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u/mlp851 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Posts like this are completely missing the point. Yes, anyone with half a brain knows Trump is a monster and would prefer anyone but him. But this is the exact reason why Biden needs to step down, his mental decline is obvious and his chances of beating Trump are lower than almost any other candidate the dems can put up. The stakes are too high for the US and the world to stay silent on this, people are talking about Biden a lot to put the pressure on him to step down, because if he doesnât things could get very bad indeed.
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u/AntelopeWells Jul 12 '24
Absolutely infuriating that people can be like "the future under Trump would be very, very bad and I am concerned that the Dems are trying to run a candidate who is actively deteriorating into the ground in front of our eyes" and be met with "you're the problem for talking about this, you just need to vote for him, don't you know Trump is worse?" Like yes! Obviously! But this isn't your grandpa where you and the other members of your family can just decide not to talk about it, this is an election in front of the entire country with huge stakes and yeah, people are going to stay home if the Dems want to run a corpse.
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u/Zealousideal_Leg_630 Jul 12 '24
Quite a few Demâs were involved with Epstein too, which is why no politicians will do anything about it. And additionally, Biden has had more problems with communication than âone bad debate night.â Agreed the Epstein thing is a bigger deal, but we are so divided and tribal right now, itâs up to âWe the peopleâ yet we arenât doing crap about it.
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u/Main-Potential6511 Jul 12 '24
Biden is a more devout Christian than Trump will ever be.
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u/MasseyFerguson Jul 12 '24
Agreed 100%: But i still wonder why the democratic candidate HAS TO BE the guy who can barely do the job. With all due respect to Biden and his accomplishments.
Like yes, he is clearly the better choice, but why do you insist on having the candidate which gives Trump best possible chances to win. Its tricky at this stage, but it was long time coming.
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u/kaiderson Jul 12 '24
Can someone link me to the source for the proof he raped children, please?
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u/watermeone Jul 12 '24
Allegations â maximum, if there is even one. But it doesn't matter, because the trick is â talk about it as it is real and it will have an effect as it is real.
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u/DFuel Jul 12 '24
Did I miss something? there is evidence that trump did things on that island!?
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u/MaybeICanOneDay Jul 12 '24
It's the lefts version of pizzagate. A small thread and some people on social media platforms pushing a story with no real evidence and now it's their conspiracy theory where someone is going to end up pulling a gun and asking where the children are.
The most appalling thing a person can do is abuse children. When this is the story and there is no substantial evidence, you should approach with caution. Should more evidence come out, rally your pitchforks, I'm right behind you. But currently, the evidence amounts to two self declared "Never Trumpers" who are in contact with a girl stating this who will not talk to anyone else.
Huffpost and Vox both investigated and came to the conclusion she isn't real. Very left leaning outlets, by the way. Another journalist at a paper called revelist spoke to her supposedly, she also said this is shady and she isn't convinced she's real. Also the house on file, at the time, led to a home that had been foreclosed for years.
Reddit being reddit. So basically baseless claims supporting the echo chambers view that x is bad and every bad and heinous act we can make up about them is true by virtue alone.
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u/Froggy_Clown I despise tomatos đ Jul 12 '24
Although only recently gaining traction a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Riverside, California, in April 2016, by an anonymous plaintiff using the name âKatie Johnson.â She named Trump and Epstein as defendants. It claimed the men held Johnson as a âsex slaveâ in 1994 when she was 13 and forced her to perform sex acts.
Although this case was dismissed by the judge in May that year, ruling that the complaint âdidnât raise valid claims under federal lawâ - Another version of the lawsuit was filed in June, but reportedly withdrawn months later. A third lawsuit was filed but was also conveniently voluntarily withdrawn.
Her attorney, Lisa Bloom, said the woman had received death threats and, âShe has decided she is too afraid to show her face ⌠She is in terrible fear.â- Sadly many dismissed this lawsuit as being âanti-trump propagandaâ
In a January 2024 Truth Social post, Trump claimed âI was never on Epsteinâs Plane, or at his âstupidâ Island.â But flight logs show Trump took at least seven flights on Epsteinâs plane so that is a lie
The batch of files released on January 3rd Trumps name was mentioned four times in a May 2016 deposition of Johanna Sjoberg, one of Epsteinâs alleged victims. Sjoberg said that while flying on one of Epsteinâs planes, they made an unplanned stop in Atlantic City and went to âone of Trumpâs casinos.â Although later in court Sjoberg said she never gave Trump a massage. She denied this claim twice she was asked (Take this with a grain of salt- trump is known for paying hush money and it should always be taken into account the power imbalance and how many victims bite their tongue in fear theyâre attacker may hurt them for speaking out)
One of the 17 exhibits unsealed on January 8 contained references to Trump, but they were from emails an Epstein victim (Sarah Ransome) had sent to a journalist that she later recanted and made a number of explosive allegations against famous men. Ransome said her friend was one of âmany girlsâ Trump had had sex with, claimed the friend regularly had sex with Trump at Epsteinâs mansion, and shared other NSFW details about Trumpâs sexual proclivities:
â[A]nother friend ... was one of the many girls that had sexual relations with Donald Trump ... She confided in me about her casual âfriendshipâ with Donald. Mr. Trump definitely seemed to have a thing for her and she told me how he kept going on about how he liked her âpert nipplesâ. Donald Trump liked flicking and sucking her nipples until they were raw. One evening when we were showering together she showed me her nipples. They looked incredibly painful as they were red and swollen and I remember wincing when I looked at them. I also know she had sexual relations with Trump at Jefferyâs NY mansion on regular occasions as I once met Jen for coffee, just before she was going to meet Trump and Epstein together at his mansion.â
But Dershowitzâs attorneys used the emails to portray Ransome as a liar, noting that she had made many outlandish claims to the journalist, such as saying sheâd reached out to the Russians for help and was âapproached, by Special Agents Forces Men sent directly by Hilary [sic] Clinton herself, in order to protect her presidential campaign.â
Ransome coincidentally also retracted her statements. In the end her final email to Callahan (the journalist), she states how she would
â- like to retract everything I have said to you and walk away from this.â
She also stated in her final email
âI shouldnât have contacted you and Iâm sorry I wasted your time. Itâs not worth coming forward and I will never be heard anyhow and only bad things will happen as a consequence of me going public and I know this to be true. This will just create pain for my family and I and they have already helped me pick up the pieces once before and I canât ask them to do that again.â And heartbreakingly stating âI guess one person canât make a difference.â This led to Callahan never publishing a story related to Sarah Ransomeâs allegations.
In the January 9th batch of released records, Trumpâs name appeared four times in a deposition of Giuffre (a victim recruited into Epsteinâs sex-trafficking ring) taken on January 16, 2016. She said that while sheâd heard Trump had been in Epsteinâs home, she ânever saw him there herselfâ
Some of the ârecentâ releases circulating were actually records that were released years ago. Although there has only been one new document released in July 2024 which is the 176-page Florida grand jury transcript, in which contains no new information about Trump.
So yea⌠there ya have it. Thereâs probably more but doing the research for this shit is depressing. In short- trump was friends with Epstein. Trump has been to his island and on his plane. Trump has been accused of sexual abuse against minors but all cases were either revoked or dropped. Sadly I donât think many victims will speak up out of fear. He is billionaire with a cult like following. His victims would suffer more from these cases than trump will. They would have to put up with the pressure and threat of harm against them and/or their family- living under the threat of being doxxed and most likely will be relentlessly bullied. Itâs no stretch to think there are many more true victims
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u/TrienneOfBarth Jul 12 '24
All of this is horrible and I have no trouble believing it is true.
But the kicker is: As long as it's just her testimony, those cases will go nowhere. I am very sceptical that any of these claims can be factually proven at this point. Unless Ghislaine Maxwell testifies or shows receipts. I doubt that will happen.
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u/ActionJacksyn Jul 12 '24
Itâs comical that people think âJoe had one bad nightâ. He has been like this his entire presidency but the biased media has helped to hide it. It just got to the point where it canât be hidden anymore. He only sounds normal when he is reading a teleprompter.
That being said, neither of these losers should be president. They are both incompetent.
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u/jawshoeaw Jul 12 '24
I donât think anyone was outraged at Bidenâs debate and subsequent gaffs. They were alarmed. Trump is the devil. We already knew that
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u/TidalTraveler Jul 12 '24
Shit in one hand and put your wishes in the other and see which fills up faster. Liberals are fucking hopeless in pretending everything is business as usual. Of wouldnât it be nice if everyone was just a decent and kind person?! Yeah. That would be great. But itâs time to grow the fuck up because thatâs not our reality and has never been our reality and will never be our reality.Â
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u/ShittyOfTshwane Jul 12 '24
I get what this post is saying, and I hate how the media is blowing this up, but Joe Biden appearing weak in front of the electorate during a direct, head to head comparison with Trump is definitely very concerning and does warrant some kind of discussion.
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u/ComradeRasputin Jul 12 '24
I totally agree.
But claiming Biden just had one bad debate is really stretching it
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u/Ok-Wedding-9439 Jul 12 '24
Biden just refered to Kamala as "Vice President Trump" and called Zelensky "Putin". None of Trump's supporters believe the accusations against him are real. Wake the fuck up already, it will never matter how much you hate him and how justified it is, it's not going to bring his numbers down, stop wasting time with it and get a better candidate for the Dems instead.
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u/chicanoboii Jul 12 '24
Itâs because we are trying to prevent Trump from winning the election you imbecile. Biden is a losing candidate and the media and the DNC needs to stop gaslighting us into thinking his mental decline is no big deal. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD please drop out Biden! Shame on the democrats for not standing up to him. Shame on the Biden family for abusing their elder and not caring for him during his final years. Shame on Biden (if he even knows whatâs going on) for letting his ego take down the whole country. Nobody is going to vote for Biden, please listen to me, I am warning everybody on this. Please ask yourself how is this a winning strategy? Do you even trust Biden to drive your car?
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u/GeneralBuckNekked Jul 12 '24
Itâs not true though. The idea that Biden just had âone bad debateâ is patently false.
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u/Alternative_Algae_31 Jul 12 '24
I would love to live in a country where an addled fossil and a conman, sleaze bag, PoS grifter werenât presidential candidates with large support bases.
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u/searing7 Jul 12 '24
How dare we notice that Biden (and Trump) wouldn't get hired for a position as a cashier based on that debate but somehow they are capable of doing one of the hardest, most demanding jobs in the world.
The difference is Democrats aren't a cult and actually want a competent leader who is up to the job.
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u/Zardinio Jul 12 '24
POV you say the democratic party isn't a cult and the Biden Loyalists come out in droves saying, "he just had a bad night"
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u/nybbas Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Imagine saying what he did in this fucking post. On the same day Biden called zelensky putin, and kamala harris "Vice president trump".
Trump is going to win if Biden is not replaced. Biden is only going to get fucking worse, how do people not see this?
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u/Ok-Wedding-9439 Jul 12 '24
I've been screaming this since 2020, the smartest thing the Dems could have done was spend the last 4 years grooming a successor for 2024, and they just... didn't...
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u/rhschumac Jul 12 '24
We just want a candidate that will beat Donald Trump. Why should we settle for someone not even close to their prime? Today he called Zelenskyy Putin and Trump his VP! Biden himself said there were at least 50 democrats that could beat Trump. Iâd argue there are even more than that.
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u/CosmoFishhawk2 Jul 12 '24
And I wish I lived in a country where Joe Biden's rape of Tara Reade and years of documented pedophilic behavior were treated with half the outrage and gravity of Donald Trump making vague gestures about leaving NATO.
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u/Flat-House5529 Jul 12 '24
I wish I lived in a country where the average IQ was higher than that of a chimpanzee. Instead, I am surrounded by a bunch of idiots circle-jerking to whatever happens to trend on social media with little, if any independent thought or fact checking, all the while living in echo chambers that drive them further and further into a realm of ignorance and idiocy so profound it would be comical if it were not so tragic.
This is what happens when you spend the better part of a century putting warning labels on everything and not letting natural selection do it's job.
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u/---Keith--- Jul 12 '24
People really hurt their argument by calling Joe's behavior a "bad debate night." It's a pattern of behavior that suggests he is mentally unwell. The Trump allegations are still more severe than this pattern of behavior, so why do people try to downplay it?
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u/Tall_Mechanic8403 Jul 12 '24
Well itâs just stupid to say Biden had one bad debate night. Itâs ridiculous that the choice is between these two.
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u/thesarc Jul 12 '24
There is no outrage left for Trump, he's exhausted our rage reserves, or we just expect the absolute worst from him and aren't even shocked any more.
Biden is having way more than one bad debate. I would vote for a sack of shit instead of Trump, but Biden is plainly not fit for the job either and the Dems, again, are fucking up a chance to secure a win by backing the wrong horse in an easily winnable race.
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u/Impossible_Pop620 Jul 12 '24
Do you think they have a counter running somewhere and they won't stop until they're reached a certain number of reposts of exactly the same line - why is the media covering Biden critically all of a sudden
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u/Warm_Emphasis_960 Jul 12 '24
Ever hear the boy who cried wolf? We have been lied to so many times about what he did or what he said that then turned out to be false. Worse yet some was planted by members of the Democratic Party and spread by their controlled media. Why should we believe this at all.
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u/WhiteSheepOfFamily Jul 12 '24
I wish I lived in a country where truth, fairness, and compassion were more important than whichever "team" you're backing.
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u/FUCKDIMS Jul 12 '24
I wish we weren't living in a country where outright lies are made up and told without any proof required.
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u/AnyAcanthocephala425 Jul 12 '24
I have a huge problem with how dems treat these discussion. You don't control your opponent, Trump is pretty much a demon, we've known this forever. Our job is to focus on our side and make sure our candidate is the most competent and viable person we could possibly put forward. There's no point in wasting our breaths on the republican party putting forward a weak, unqualified candidate, that just means that we should have 50 guys lined up capable of blowing him out of the water, there's no need to stick to a guy like Biden who has such obvious weaknesses
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u/WrecksBarkhead Jul 12 '24
I get it...but shut up lady. This is entirely the Dem's fault. Put ANYONE up besides Biden with half a brain and they'll win. Party politics bullshit.
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u/Form_86 Jul 12 '24
One bad debate night? The guy has dementia. I wish people like you would stop saying he fine just because he is your flavor of politics. You see what his press secretary did when asked what would happen if there was a world crisis after 8pm? She walked away from the podium. Everybody knows he needs constant nursing care, but they all (like you) lie and say heâs fine. Would you have a surgeon with mental ability give you major surgery? How about a pilot like him fly you and your friends across the Pacific?
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u/No-Lie-677 Jul 12 '24
One bad debate night is the truth? There are tons and tons of clips showing his heavy mental decline going back several years. It should be illegal, it feels an awful lot like elder abuse.
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u/don-corle1 Jul 12 '24
ITT: constant wagon circling and a complete lack of holding the Democrats responsible for this Trainwreck, because other guy is worse.
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u/NoMayonaisePlease Jul 12 '24
One bad debate night? Yesterday he called Harris VP Trump and introduced Zelinsky as Putin.
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u/AWatson89 Jul 12 '24
Thankfully, we live in a country where proof is needed instead of being able to condemn people for made-up accusations.
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u/CosmicLovepats Jul 12 '24
The democratic party is going to lose to a rapist, pedophile, felon, because they refuse to do literally any part of their job.
It wasn't 'one bad debate night'. He's old. Aging goes one direction. It was 'the best debate night of the remainder of his life'. He's only going to get worse from here.
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u/vrmneto Jul 12 '24
Because they can't accuse him that hard for what they do themselves. It would make the Clintons look bad.
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u/Open-Victory-1530 Jul 12 '24
Remember folks these 2 are the best people America has to offer
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u/Distinct-Set310 Jul 12 '24
Blame dems and the left, they ensured biden was all over the front pages all week. Incredible scenes.
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u/Mr5I5t3RFI5T3R Jul 12 '24
One bad interview that's observant. No he has a speech impediment, no he was on medication no insert any excuse at this point.
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u/Green1up Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
It wasn't one bad debate night. Mindlessly repeating that means you need to check how susceptible you are the obvious propaganda.
The president is from the silent generation (pre-boomer) and has been in Congress since the early 70s. He finally got his lifelong wish to be president under extreme circumstances, becoming the oldest president of all time. Its apparently not enough for him. This election shouldn't even be close and there is only one reason it is and threads like this purposely ignore the obvious.
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u/texans1234 Jul 12 '24
Hereâs the deal; you have to get past the allegations and realize that at least 30% of voters donât care about them. That leaves the other 20% of Repubs that donât like Trump but donât see Biden as a viable option. Everything is expensive, zero solution for the border, and 2 active wars going on makes them apprehensive and Biden clearly ainât inspiring anything in anybody.
This is why itâs so frustrating that the Dems fumbled this so badly. They either gaslit or just turned a blind eye to bidens clear short comings and will fuck this election up. Just embarrassing for our country at this point.
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u/TheWayItGoes49 Jul 12 '24
People have known Biden showered with his teenage daughter and molested her for years and none of you seem to care about that.
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u/JDH86 Jul 12 '24
She either been in a coma for the last 9 years and suffers from brain damage or she's just been watching neocon media for all this time.
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u/alkbch Jul 12 '24
First of all, itâs not just one bad debate night, there has been countless instances showing Bidenâs cognitive decline this year alone. We see them with our own eyes and hear them with our own ears.
Furthermore, thereâs no link between Trump and Epstein in the recently transcripts.
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u/Mean-Imagination6670 Jul 12 '24
Please. You all know that if they had any proof of that about Trump, they'd use it in a heartbeat, and it would be released, and he'd be under state or federal investigation for that too. However, that obviously isn't the case which means they have nothing on him. Don't try saying that's the truth when clearly it isn't. What's more likely is that some of those names are Dems, or other highly influential people that are on the Left and they're protecting them.
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u/WodanGungnir Jul 12 '24
She got no problem with leftist Hollywood fcking kids on Epstein Islands though....
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u/fabkosta Jul 12 '24
Sorry, I am a bit out of context here: I am in no way a supporter of Trump - but do the documents provide actual proof in any way that Trump in fact did rape and assault girls being part of Epstein's circle? I mean, that's a possibility and maybe even likely, but I had understood that just being mentioned in the files actually means that you were friends with Epstein - yet that the files do not allow the conclusion with any certainty of the accusation made here. Or did I get this wrong?
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u/Thoddius Jul 12 '24
Reading this and so many of the comments really highlights how little people actually read about the "news". Just because you heard one of the "talking heads" on TV say something does not make it true. No matter how you feel about either candidate, they both have the right to due process under the Constitution, which includes the appeals process, just like every citizen. Making accusations without proof will lead to embarrassment at best and criminal charges at worst. I implore every citizen to study the Constitution, but more importantly you should study the material required to pass the test to become a naturalized citizen. There is a large gap in understanding the rights and responsibilities of being a citizen and the protections we all receive as one. I specify "citizen" because only we have the right to vote in federal elections. To understand how bad the media has become you can look at the myriad of lawsuits, past and present, against them. Sorry for rambling. Goodnight Reddit.
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u/thedsider Jul 12 '24
I work with a lot of really wonderful folks from the US and while they know that the state of politics and the legal system at present in the US is particularly bad I don't think they realize just how absolutely bat shit insane it is compared to most of the rest of the world.
Which has always been fine as long as the crazy was contained in your borders. But, it's spreading....
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