r/OnePiece • u/fallopian_fiddler • Sep 07 '24
Discussion A Reason Blackbeard Wants Only Devil Fruit Users on His Crew Spoiler
Hey people, I was contemplating the duality of Luffy and Blackbeard and how they treat their crew, when I started just thinking about Blackbeard's crew. I wondered why he wanted everyone to have a devil fruit power, besides the obvious hunting for the strongest ones. After thinking those two thoughts, it occurred to me that an additional reason Blackbeard wants all of his crew to have devil fruit powers is because his fruit renders power users useless, and thus he has a method of ensuring betraying him would not be easy. Also, say he makes it to be the big final baddie and obtains some sort of crazy ultimate power and control for a bit. I feel like his plan is to get rid of his crew once he attains that power, and if someone on his crew isn't a power user then it would make it more difficult to "control" or eliminate them when necessary. And sorry if this has been thought of before, just havent seen it myself.
TL;DR Blackbeard is continuing to prove he is one cold calculating sonofaXebec ;)
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u/AstralJumper Sep 07 '24
There is definitely going to be a betrayal at some point, in some way.
This is foreshadowed with him killing Thatch, thus he uses his crew for HIS own means and tosses them aside when they have an objective of their own.
Which is opposite of Luffy who exists to encourage the dreams of his crew and push them towards that potential. Luffy doesn't require the assistance of his crew and genuinely earns it.
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u/fallopian_fiddler Sep 07 '24
You hit the nail on head with what I was attempting to explain, thank you for reading my work and making it even better with your comment!
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u/Zeteon Pirate Sep 07 '24
I think Black Beard is going to take Imu's devil fruit as his third.
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u/ssbm_rando Sep 08 '24
I will still be extremely, EXTREMELY surprised if he did not already start with a mythical zoan that gave Shanks his scar.
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u/Zeteon Pirate Sep 08 '24
That's true. But it's known that Teach fought with a three pronged hook claw weapon when he was younger. I imagine that's what he used on Shanks. It's just a mystery when or how that fight took place.
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u/Fibonacci777 Sep 08 '24
Let me cook for a minute. I feel like he already has it. If we want to assume that Imu is not actually a DF user and is just a straight up devil, surely there'd be a hito hito no mi, model: Imu. If Blackbeard is the opposite of Luffy, wouldn't this be the perfect way to represent that?
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u/blackierobinsun3 Sep 08 '24
The devil zoan
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u/Theboy1011-99 Sep 08 '24
Yes he seems like he could be a literal devil and I was hoping we’d have a Cerberus zoan
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u/Zeteon Pirate Sep 08 '24
Ye I just think it'd be cool for the info Sabo got about imu to get leaked to BB somehow, leading to him going after it and being the true final fight for luffy
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u/YumYumRice Sep 07 '24
Blackbeard is somehow going to betray his crew at the end and absorb ALL of their devils fruits, giving Blackbeard a second phase with 10 devil fruits.
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u/Colanasou Sep 07 '24
Yeah but he also dropped boa when she turned his crew to stone instead of killing her. And then when he recruited aokiji and asked him to unfreeze his members there.
He cares about his crew and i doubt he would betray them.
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u/DannyDootch Sep 07 '24
He doesn't care about his crew. His crew is still useful to him, their goals are still aligned, therefore he wants to keep his crew. Blackbeard is literally the epitome of backstabber, he is not loyal to his crew. Plus, if he did backstab 1 member over literally nothing and did nothing about trying to get them saved (like in the Boa and Kuzan situations), the other crew members would descent because they are also not loyal to Teech.
It's quite obvious Oda is planning on setting up some sort of downfall for blackbeard and it's apparent this downfall will because caused because his crew is not loyal to one another. A BB crew member may not straight-up betray Teech, but in some way other another, Blackbeard will die/be defeated via his crew's lack of loyalty.
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u/LivingLifeLifeless Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24
I'd argue that he cares about his crew, but not enough to sacrifice himself or his own interest in any way.
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u/DidntHaveToUseMyAK Sep 07 '24
As evidenced when Van Augur dipped and let BB take the brunt of sulong bepo
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u/mt943 Sep 07 '24
Even if he used his power on Hancock it wouldn’t save the ones in stone. Same for Aokiji. He acts with interests, he doesn’t need to show hostility when he can solve it peacefully. When the time comes though he will make sure nobody can cross him.
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u/fallopian_fiddler Sep 07 '24
I did not account for those times he saved his crew. In those moments, are we sure it was implied that he saved them from a friendship perspective, like Luffy often shouting "don't hurt my friends" or something to that effect? Or is it more like a bank-robber protecting the tires on his getaway vehicle from being slashed by another criminal?
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u/availableusernamepls Sep 08 '24
He only dropped Boa because Rayleigh rolled up, he was about to kill her and write his crew off as dead. He don't give a rat's ass about them.
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u/Nabnormal Sep 07 '24
It would be cool if at the end, all of the blackbeard pirates die from falling into the ocean and them stealing all these powers came to bite them in the ass
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u/Trappist12 Bounty Hunter Sep 07 '24
Can BB render the elders' power useless too?
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u/Akasha1885 The Revolutionary Army Sep 07 '24
Only if they are Devilfruit powers, which so far isn't confirmed at all.
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u/CrazyStar_ Sep 07 '24
I’d be surprised if they weren’t all mythical Zoan fruit users. I’d be surprised if there was yet another special power that gets introduced in the endgame.
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u/Wormin-Shilliam Sep 07 '24
I think the powers are granted by Imu’s mythical zoan but are not devil fruits themselves. The powers include immortality - Imu just took the powers back which caused Saturn to shrivel up
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u/Ozymandias200 Sep 07 '24
I thought his whole thing was also recreating Rocks pirates as the strongest crew with fruits
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u/Zayzay8008 Sep 07 '24
The guys he pulled out of Impel Down he might leave for dead, but he'd never betray the day 1 crew.
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u/2legittoquit Sep 07 '24
Ace and the guy he killed for the devil fruit might have something to say about that.
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u/UnregisteredDomain Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24
Yeah, anyone defending Blackbeard needs to seriously consider just how fucked up in the head you have to be to betray a crew(aka: family in this case) you have been on for decades. There is nothing stopping him from doing it again.
But to be clear, I am not trying to say BB is downright “evil” because of this, he was just following his ambition at the end of the day. But he is a psychopath no matter what you say to explain his actions.
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u/-YesIndeed- Sep 07 '24
Big thing in always wondering is idi bro even ask thatch. Could just said 'hey I've been looking for the fruit for years nad really wanted it, cause we're bros I'll make it up to you in the future.' And cause he's a Chad WB crew member he'd probs just say sure.
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u/PlasticAngle Sep 07 '24
Yeah when you think about it, it doesn't make sense that BB betray WB.
Like you said that he would have got that fruit if he asked and maybe he should have just asked since if Thatch refuse, BB can just take the fruit from his corpse.
Also everyone in the crew know that WB is on his death bed, he will die of old age soon enough. Why betrayed him there, he could have taken over the crew the moment WB dead and he would end up with a bunch of member that is much more loyal and he still can recruit whoever he like.
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u/ZodiacKiller20 Sep 07 '24
My headcanon is blackbeard has stored sea water, sea stone cuffs in his 'black hole' and that's actually what's nullifying the powers. So even if someone has monstrous haki, if they've df then they become weakened enough for BB to take down.
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u/fallopian_fiddler Sep 07 '24
I like this thought, that BB could absorb seawater. But that brings up the paradox of does the seawater nullify BB's powers from the inside out? Due to the black hole being based in devil fruit "energy" so-to-speak?
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u/comicsanz2797 Sep 08 '24
No original commenter but i would think it could work. Oda has said before it’s not specifically seawater, but being submerged in water is what makes them weak. It’s why they can shower but not take baths. Next add in the fact they still have to drink water but it doesn’t hurt them at all because it’s on the inside. As long as Blackbeard could pocket the water without becoming too submerged then no reason it shouldn’t work.
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u/xxexpl0r3rxx Sep 07 '24
If Blackbeard could obtain their powers through some kind of dedication from his crewmates towards him, it would also be a possiblity to why he only wants the strongest df's in his crew
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u/Guy_gamer112 Sep 07 '24
Black beard's power simply negates their power. He doesn't make them useless or weak. I feel like you're forgetting that Oda went out of his was to show this in his fight with whitebeard.
He's not a walking sea stone. So your theory just doesn't work
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u/ratchetcoutoure Sep 07 '24
Betrayal will likely be at play. He is shown doing that to his former crew mates. So no reason why he wouldn't do that again to his current ones. As he said to Kuzan, his pirates team are only people congregated because they have the same goal and ambitions, not because they were friends. Clearly made to be the opposite of luffy and strawhats crew who are very close like a family. And how the captain called his crew as friends instead of just a crew.
Perhaps it won't even be Blackbeard himself that's doing the betrayal, but one of his crew. Since Oda seems to enjoy write this kind of poetic justice storyline. Aside from the obvious one (Kuzan), I feel like Lafitte & Shiryu might be the other ones who oozing this kind of Kanjuro snitching ass energy.
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u/DiscountOld2069 Sep 07 '24
The reason you stated that Blackbeard can deal with devil fruit users once their powers get nullified does not make sense . If that was the case then he would've never invited Aokiji to join his crew because his haki is strong .
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u/fallopian_fiddler Sep 07 '24
You are the second person to assume I meant BB is able to 100-0 all power users, so I will address this to you. If what you said was the case then we would not have the One Piece story don't you think? It would be Shanks v BB in the end with Luffy rendered irrelevant. What I meant was BB has a way to make his crew second-guess betraying him, as they would need to rely only on haki instead of the devil fruits they have grown accustomed to using, putting them at a disadvantage.
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Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24
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u/fallopian_fiddler Sep 07 '24
Luffy being irrelevant was me taking your assumption of thinking I said BB can deal with any power user and going to the extreme with it. If I believed BB could deal with ANY one with a DF, then I would have to believe Luffy will ultimately be irrelevant to the story as he will eventually be defeated by BB. This is not the case. Much like you said, my post was merely to pont out the possible genius in Blackbeard's moves to create a situation where some of the world' strongest people would think twice before betraying him as they all get closer to ruling the world. Sorry for the long post, buddy.
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Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24
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u/fallopian_fiddler Sep 07 '24
This is very true and I agree, BB is super cunning, and a traitor should have an advantage when dealing with traitors! That race part is interesting to me. It makes me wonder if maybe his crew is perhaps using him and his uniqueness for their own gain? And finally, I will say that I am not ignorant to the idea of Blackbeard having personal growth as a character. It is not entirely impossible for him to have developed some sort of bond with these people. He is a D. after all, and they are said to live a checkered life. (Black and White, Dark and Light)
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u/Coronis- Explorer Sep 08 '24
fwiw his DF only nullifies DF powers, it doesn’t actually weaken the target like Seastone or the ocean.
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u/ReydragoM140 12d ago
For some reason I have a feeling that Blackbeard would take his subordinates power as a second phase for his fight for some reason...
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u/No-Membership7549 10d ago
Great, if you ignore the fact that his fruit doesn't render other devil fruit users useless...
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u/Akasha1885 The Revolutionary Army Sep 07 '24
Sry, but I don't see BB betraying his crew.
He cares about them, he doesn't want to sit on a throne all alone.
And whatever his deal is, they are loyal to him too. Which does mean we are still missing an important piece of his character. His Lineage seems very important.
We've seen him save his crew on more then 1 occasion, and his crew saved him on multiple occasions.
He never mistreated them either.
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u/Neyubin Explorer Sep 07 '24
Well he killed Thatch and Ace but sure, THIS crew is special.
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u/Akasha1885 The Revolutionary Army Sep 07 '24
Both not part of his crew.
And Ace came to kill him3
u/Neyubin Explorer Sep 07 '24
He was in Whitebeards crew when he killed Thatch. And it hadn't been long after that he turned Ace into the government for his scheme.
The man is an opportunist. He will sell out, kill, or abandon who he needs to if it serves his plan. Crew included, as history shows.
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u/Akasha1885 The Revolutionary Army Sep 07 '24
Exactly, Whitbeards crew, not "HIS" crew.
That's a huge difference one should be aware of.
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u/FuHiwou Sep 07 '24
Wasn't Ace his Division commander?
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u/Akasha1885 The Revolutionary Army Sep 07 '24
Not part of "HIS" crew.
Unless you're implying Ace and thatch were his subordinates somehow
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u/withering_warden 7d ago
Wait wait wait a second will he go to want is search of kaido and big mom devil fruit
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u/Ralliboy Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24
Blackbeard's goal: Removing the Sea entirely. No Sea DF dominate. King of the Earth
Imu's Goal: Raising sea levels to Red Line. Imu and the Navy Dominate. King of the Sea
Luffy's Goal: Ending the separation of the 4 seas : Everyone is free. King of Pirates