Noticed something that might be of importance in the chapter 1125, during THAT moment!

[u/Misterrider]

Hi, so at the big moment of the chapter, we can see some dark clouds/matter moving all around similar to how it looked when he spawned on egghead.

Weirdly, it seems like there's some faces explicitely drawn by Oda, this can't be unintentional visually. So could this be a hint at Imu's power? He can give some "devil" to a DF eater at any time as long as he has an impact with that person?

Look at this panel, that's weird honestly:

That's definitely some sort of spirit/entities flying out of saturn, most likely caused by Imu's power, is that a proof that devil/yokai/whatever are truly in the one piece world?

Idk but it looks exactly like that :)

[u/Most_Individual_953]

Imu has the devil devil fruit. He just cancled saturns subscription

[u/Separate-Hold-2293 → u/Most_Individual_953]

Finally I wanted him to die he was at end of his role and there was nothing new he could do. I was hoping he would die straight out of haki release into the sea but this was deserved. Also I didn’t want to see another Jack after zou ark

[u/Andrejosue98 → u/Separate-Hold-2293]

Finally I wanted him to die he was at end of his role and there was nothing new he could do.

This is just wrong. Saturn is barely a character lol. Oda could have done a lot more with him.

The only thing we know is his personality is stereotype evil celestial dragon 1.

It would have been cool if Oda had expanded on his interest and personality. Like why did he decide to keep researching the Iron Giant? Why did he make the experiments? What were his goals? What were his dreams? Etc.

[u/jfulgs → u/Andrejosue98]

A lot of his character beats were implied and I imagine will be expanded upon as the global conflict ramps up against the WG and CDs.

He was experimenting and kept the iron giant out of curiosity and a “love” for science. As much as he criticized VP and all humans for “disobeying” and having sin of free will, these things were ultimately his own undoing, because at the end of the day Saturn, whether he liked it or not was also just a human.

[u/tackslabor → u/jfulgs]

I imagine (IF) Garcia was part of the original Gorosei, which I highly doubt, we'll get some backstory from hin during the void century.

Otherwise while he didn't show much of his "personality" we still got the basic jist of it. Didn't need/expect much from his in egghead.

[u/FunnyPolaris → u/tackslabor]

We know he is not from the void century, bcs he didnt recognized or knew what was Emeth, the giant robot.

[u/tackslabor → u/FunnyPolaris]

Good point I didn't think about.

[u/DarkDarkPit → u/jfulgs]

Morj's video was pretty good!

[u/kaiser_kerfluffy → u/Andrejosue98]

He says he wanted to replicate it. You can use the pacifista to imply what his goals were with the iron giant but he does express wonder and surprise that luffy could get it to move and fight for him, that's it right there. 200 years ago he saw a wonder of technology wreak havoc and thought "would be cool if we had an army of that"

[u/Ragnadriel → u/Andrejosue98]

If we start doing that for every character we won’t be done before 2075

[u/wolfelian → u/Ragnadriel]

Exactly. The point of the Gorosei as a whole is clearly that these guys are inhuman on some level not every character needs a super deep backstory to sympathize with them. Both Saturn and Mars haven’t flinched at calling people insects.

[u/VietNamiWarVet → u/Andrejosue98]

It would have been cool if Oda had expanded on his interest and personality. Like why did he decide to keep researching the Iron Giant? Why did he make the experiments? What were his goals? What were his dreams? Etc.

You're expecting Oda to give you all the answers already? How long have we had to wait for everything else? He's going to address these things when we are ready.
Also,

This is just wrong. Saturn is barely a character lol

THIS is just wrong. Saturn is a big character, who has done more than any other member of the Gorosei... how do you come to this conclusion?

[u/newbatthis → u/VietNamiWarVet]

Bro was the main antagonist thru a whole arc and he did nothing xd

[u/Misterrider → u/Most_Individual_953]

I would consider this fruit as the umibozu one as that's litteraly a sea devil, also the face looks similar to what I'm circling on the panel here. Could also be why we still see him/her as a silhouette: that's the true appearance! I'm not fully sure about the devil concept tho, I feel like every mystery of one piece can be explained by technology, as in the devil fruits comes from a machine.

[u/Little-xim → u/Most_Individual_953]

Disney+ when you go to their theme park and have an allergy be like

[u/EddieEnmaX → u/Most_Individual_953]

He has the Mangaka Mangaka Fruit Type Oda

[u/Ramekink → u/Most_Individual_953]

Once you do a deal with the devil you're basically fucked when he's done with you.

[u/flash-tractor → u/Most_Individual_953]

Someone else said, "Imu revoked Saturn's immortality," and I really liked that phrasing because revoked has governmental connotations.

[u/darkvoid713 → u/Most_Individual_953]

This actually makes a lot of sense . Maybe that’s why they fear those with D. in their name. Those are the ones with the strongest haki that are able to stop Imu without using a devil fruit

[u/mitsurugui → u/Most_Individual_953]

Imu has a mythical zoan model baphomet or something like that

[u/Hibrice → u/Most_Individual_953]

Wouldn't this imply he has a direct connection to the elders but not all devil fruits.

Got the joke but in reality he could cancel anyone's subscription if it was just being devil fruits

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[u/neldornet → u/OnePiece-ModTeam]

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[u/Don_Matrix]

This is more speculation, but I read the other day someone saying that the Elders possibily eated more than 1 Devil Fruit, and because of Imu's taking away Saturn's immortality, he exploded. What we saw in that panel is the two spirits of those Devil Fruits. Maybe Imu gave Saturn a spider and a bull Devil Fruit as part of the deal for Saturn to become immortal and as a failsafe in case he needed to remove the immortality to the Elders.

[u/NoSterver → u/Don_Matrix]

This is actually a pretty valid theory

[u/BusinessCalzone → u/NoSterver]

I'm in

[u/Akasha1885 → u/Don_Matrix]

He totally didn't explode.
He grew older until what's left is nothing but a skeleton, pretty much his original age showing.

[u/Except_Fry → u/Don_Matrix]

But we know it’s not a bull and spider

It looks exactly like the Ushi-Oni yokai, which is probably the actual devil fruit.

This makes no sense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushi-oni

[u/emperorzura → u/Except_Fry]

We all know that, the theory is that the yokais fruits are just two devils in one body. That would explain the demonlike feature, since they are doing something supposed to be impossible.

[u/matheusco → u/Except_Fry]

Yeah, it's not like writers can invent different origins for entities/monster... oh, wait, they can.

[u/incipientpianist → u/Don_Matrix]

It’s not a bad theory, but the “immortality” devil fruit is covered with Trafalgar already; it would be a little redundant.

[u/russellzerotohero → u/incipientpianist]

I think imu can give other people immortality as long as they he is immortal. Would explain why out of the first CD he was the one that got the immortality surgery.

I don’t think he had two devil fruits though. I think it’s more likely he didn’t have any and all his peers came from imu.

[u/DidntHaveToUseMyAK → u/incipientpianist]

Yeah but that was covered by people who have no idea someone like Imu exists which throws the immortality being only an op op fruit power into question.

[u/StrawHat42O → u/Don_Matrix]

He did a deal with the devil himself for devil fruits

[u/Playful_Body6412]

I think that Imu has the devil fruit demon model... it can possess the bodies of its subordinates, giving them immortality and power. Of course with Joy Boy's haki the fruit's powers vanish and Imu seems fatigued even being too far away to be hit.

[u/incipientpianist → u/Playful_Body6412]

Sorry if it’s too stupid, but what is the circle highlighting?

[u/tackslabor → u/incipientpianist]

Seems to me like the devil's spirit leaving Saturn. Either Saturn's fruit "devil" or because it's not confirmed if the Gorosei have fruits, maybe the devil that IMU bestowed upon them. Just a guess tho

[u/russellzerotohero → u/Playful_Body6412]

That makes sense. Joyboy probably has stronger haki than imu and like kaido said haki is above all.

[u/D_Luffy1402]

Black zetsu crossover

[u/Semikatyri]

He signed up to a mariejois+ trial so imu can just do that legally.

[u/Gildgun]

Talking about dreams - Imu is/controlling/whatever nightmares

[u/M4AZ]

You are right! I also noticed that devil thing. This is how gorosei have been teased many times before showing their full transformations. I think Imu has some fruit which allows him to grant or take back a devil's soul to/from a person turning them into a yokai which is immortal and invincible in battle.

[u/onelove7866 → u/M4AZ]

Not “many times before”, simply just in that chapter 😂

[u/M4AZ → u/onelove7866]

Also in Planet fall when they just arrive

[u/onelove7866 → u/M4AZ]

But they were literally revealed that chapter 😂

[u/_n_i_c_o → u/M4AZ]

I'm dying to see the anime adaptation of that moment

[u/behOemoth]

While you mention this, didn’t Vegapunk also mentioned that it was potentially measurable how the soul is leaving the body after death?

[u/Mogakusha]

Finally someone else caught onto this, for that i give you this and this now keep cooking, but remember

souls or life, whatever big mom takes is white

[u/ouroborous818]

Just wanted to say I appreciate your title.

[u/Reylus12]

It also looks like Imu mid transformation.

[u/Misterrider → u/Reylus12]

To think we are 2 episodes away from seing this scene animated is crazy! Also tomorrow we might actually get Imu's voice (or it will be modifiés by toei to avoid giving ideas)

[u/Overall-Courage6721 → u/Reylus12]

Thats a umibozu

[u/Darkelementzz]

I've always been partial to Imu having a demon king mythical zoan. Demon kings are the rulers of demons/devils so it would make sense, as he could have Saturn possessed by a demon to keep him alive and obedient, and could remove the demon whenever it suits him. Perhaps Joyboy's CoC is like an exorcism since you're overpowering people's will. Curious to see the limits of a demon king fruit though. Maybe he can only create up to 5 demons, hence the 5 elders being a static number?

[u/Most_Individual_953 → u/Darkelementzz]

The pentagram is thematic is all.

[u/wolfelian]

Huh that makes me think of Moria’s fruit in a way, in that Moria can take a person’s shadow, a literal piece of another person, and make it apart of himself but Imu can do the reverse he gives the Gorosei a piece of Himself so they partial have his immortality.

Makes me wonder if Moria’s fruit is just a carbon-copy of Imu’s fruit like some others are better versions of others.

[u/therealoda17]

If Saturn never really had a devil fruit power and it was just Imu’s power in control the entire time, then what did Catarina copy? Did she actually end up copying Imu’s power?

[u/Nickmcadv]

He probably died from rapid aging once he lost his devil

[u/Lonely-Tumbleweed-56]

After Imu having the same exact positioning and panting of Mars (it was Mars?) after Joyboy's Haki, I now know 100% he's linked to them like Voldemort - > Horcrux, some kind of splitted soul or power into the Gorosei

If when a Gorosei dies, that power goes back into Imu to rebuild itself...after all the Gorosei are out, we're into big troubles

[u/Werkyreads123]

Good catch!

[u/Expert-Diver7144]

It’s probably human fruit model demon

[u/dont_worry_about_it8]

I love reading stuff I know is wrong just for the dude that got no attention to be right

[u/Akasha1885]

We saw those shadows the first time we saw Imu's power in the throne room when Cobra was killed.
It's clearly Imu's power and it's eerily similar to Big moms if you think about it.
Just that Imu bestows powers on people, instead of objects.

Is it a DF or something else entirely? I dare not say
It feels otherworldly and alien, so my personal intuition tells me, not a DF power.

[u/zeta3d]

What I wonder is. Did Saturn eat a Devil fruit at all? Was it named?

[u/ProofEffective6454]

Saturn was always doomed to die like that, Saturn (the planet) is called the planet of bones by someone, i don't think that's a coincidence

[u/rasing1337]

I said it when we first saw imu and i will sad it again. Im Has the hito hito nomi type devil. Sie has a pact with the gorosei and when they fail it she end the pack and they die.

[u/Realexis1]

I said it in the chapter thread and I’ll say it again - 👏the 👏Gorosie 👏are 👏WARLOCKS 👏

They have a pact with Imu - in my mind functionally the devil or a devil - and the benefit is clearly societal + literal power, in exchange they’re his servants, at his beck and call and can be punished at any given time by power being revoked

[u/scruffythejanitor25]

What if he has a “life”fruit. Which gives life and immortality to anything he chooses..

So what if he gave life and physical being to the devil fruits themselves? With that he can also take it away as well. So what we’re seeing which another commenter mentioned is the devils in the fruits.

[u/Norodrom]

I like that they kinda look like trollfaces

[u/KrackerJoe]

Imu has the original devil fruit, the will will fruit which allows him to will his power to others as well as allows him to overcome natural forces with his will power, almost like a progenitor of haki.

(Fan theory pulled promptly out of my ass)

[u/leolegendario]

Imu = Lilith The Mother of All Devils = The Mother of All Devil Fruits.

[u/maddddogggg2020]

Imus power seems to be a stronger version of Big mommas DF

[u/RockNo5773]

Sigh if your right then I think we might actually be looking at a rather dark application of a devil fruit power what if he's somehow able to add the lifespans of people to others by storing souls inside them? And each time they die a soul or souls gets used to regenerate their bodies? Would also explain why Saturn died after Imu decided to take back whatever he gave him. Which if true begs the question how many times the elders need to be killed before they run out of human lives to feast on.

[u/EwoDarkWolf]

I had a similar theory for a while now. With Sabu, it showed them all as shadows, or what seemed like extensions of Imu. When I saw that, I thought maybe they just are Imu, but extensions, the same way Vegapunk has his extensions, but I decided against that when they all seemed to treat Imu as a king, and not just as the main body.

Then, they all had similar, yet different forms, all complimenting each other. This doesn't mean much by itself, since Oda does this almost every arc, but the key thing of note is that they all have the same regenerative powers and that Saturn didn't die when he fell into the ocean.

And then Imu took Saturn's life and gave it to someone else, meaning they are Imu's puppets that he can replace as he sees fit. This obviously further discredits that they were extensions of Imu, since Imu gave Saturn's powers to someone else.

[u/Venompl4]

Kinda like Big Mom incarnations

[u/vlexz]

It's black clover all over again lol

[u/Taladris]

Pareidolia - Wikipedia

[u/Misterrider → u/Taladris]

this concept only works when it's not a litteral drawing, this black fire could just be fully black without any white part that looks similar to a face, but Oda decided to draw it like that.