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Chapter 1125
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u/touchingthebutt Sep 06 '24
It was nice to see Oda brong back heradas from Namis storyline. I guess that is the connection on the Haki knot and the wind Knot. It's small but always nice to see.
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u/uptnapishtim Void Month Survivor Sep 06 '24
I don’t think Garling will be more successful because of the same reason as Saturn. The Celestial Dragons view everyone as insects. They underestimate what people are capable of. Saturn never imagined that VP would have a concious or that Bonnie would become stronger when inspired. He even underestimated Joyboy’s friend pulling a stunt that defeated the CDs. They will keep on losing because they don’t understand how powerfull people’s wills are.
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u/ff8alex Sep 06 '24
Indeed but the difference with Garling is that he doesn't f around
His introduction was to kill a Celestial Dragon that hit another Celestial dragon
He seems more like an Akainu type he will go with all his might to destroy you at first chance or so it seems
Well Akainu usually it's more scheming and like to play with your head before
We are yet to see if Garling also has this traits
But definitely Garling seem like the type to destroy the ship from O'Hara with refugees
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u/HHTheHouseOfHorse God Usopp Sep 06 '24
Garling is literally gonna be more successful because he's a significantly better fighter. The sheer aura of Garling dramatically magnifies the Gorosei's existing aura.
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u/Nomar_95 Sep 06 '24
To add to this, the Gorosei have lived for so long with Imu's immortality buff that they don't bother to defend attacks. No need to do that when you can instantly heal.
I'm sure we'll get a damn good fight from Garling before he takes a blow that he's forced to regenerate from
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u/megasxl264 Sep 07 '24
His introduction into the elder group also gives off the feeling that Imu trusts him more than the others.
I'd imagine that whatever power Imu grants the others it will be significantly more with Garling.
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u/epd_93 Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
Given what happened this chapter with Saturn, I think Blackbeard pirates' plan to impersonate him will fail spectacularly.
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u/paulohdscoelho Pirate Sep 06 '24
Not if the government erases his missing from the news. I mean, only 9 vice admirals and the high authorities know, they could easily fool the average Marine/CP0
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u/Rickyszn034 Sep 06 '24
The plan will definetely still work in going to mariejois, as long as they only interact with fodder and meet no gorosei. Fodder won't even ask questions, and holy knights will also back down quickly if catrina tells them to while she is in saturn form
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u/sunsoutgunsout Sep 06 '24
With Garling being among the Elders I find it unlikely given that he leads the Holy Knights that they wouldn't be aware that Saturn is gone
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u/Rickyszn034 Sep 07 '24
I mean thats the thing, the holy knights and lower celestials know Saturn is no longer an elder, but whether they know it is because he has been killed is a different story.
Regardless someone who doesn't know the man is dead is gonna appear and give Devon the access desired then after she gets or sees enough someone will realise she is a fake and she will escape
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u/coach_veratu Sep 07 '24
I don't think it'll be a big blow to the WG like this.
Instead I think it'll backfire because Saturn never had the opportunity to warn anyone about Devon. If the Government assumes Saturn is 100% dead then it's likely they'll not bother removing him from the Seraphim Hierarchy because there's so much going on that the WG is going to have to prepare now.
In the next fight between the BB Pirates and the Seraphim, Devon is likely going to take command of them unless another Goresei is present.
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u/arielle17 Sep 06 '24
their plan was never to impersonate Saturn. they arrived on Egghead long before Saturn even began to travel there himself. just, whatever their original mission was, Devon impersonating Saturn was a reasonable alternative. my guess is taking control of the seraphim
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u/CHA0T1CNeutra1 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 06 '24
I think it matters on how they intend to impersonate Saturn. Using his likeness to gain access to different facilities is probably going to fail, but using it to control the seraphim would still work.
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u/mking1999 Sep 06 '24
The reading comprehension of this subreddit truly gets worse and worse as the series keeps going.
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u/laiika Sep 06 '24
The fan base is probably getting younger on average
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u/N3uromanc3r_gibson Sep 06 '24
It's certainly getting older over time as everybody ages. It's only logical
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u/laiika Sep 07 '24
Not necessarily. If more young people are entering into the fandom faster than the rest of us are aging, we will collectively be a younger fan base. It’s probably not that way in Japan because declining birth rates and all, but it could definitely be that way in the English speaking side.
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u/N3uromanc3r_gibson Sep 07 '24
Good point I suppose a new comprehensive survey would be informative
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u/TopProfessional6291 Sep 07 '24
They're creating their own narratives, just like social media taught them.
It's everywhere. Try having a discussion and stay on point. It quickly devolves into ass pulls, name calling and power scaling bullshit.
I'm on the verge of giving up on discourse on the Internet.
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u/RaviRaviRavioli Sep 06 '24
Or the egg head incident will be covered, so nobody except the marines on that ship and the gorosei themselves know that saturn is gone. Even the strawhats don't know that.
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u/therosx Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
The Pacifista should probably still obey her if she's in his form. Same with the Seraphim. I wonder if they took a few "for the road" with them before they warped off?
In any case, Blackbeard's probably hedging his bets against the Seraphim given the trouble he had at Amazon Lilly. There's also no way he wouldn't want that power in his hands.
If I was the world nobles i'd probably keep them close. Just imagine how much of a surprise move it would be if suddenly their greatest guardians were turned against them at a critical moment.
Also now that Saturn is dead there's nobody to tell the other Elders or IMU that Devon can do that now. Surprise!
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u/magnumdong007 Pirate King Buggy Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
I’m genuinely so interested in Garling and the elders now, the fact that they all seem to actually have their own will it seems but they act under Imu. Garling has eluded to having a different agenda than the rest of the elders. Will he turn good? Doubtful but maybe he will save his sweet bb shanks or they will trade fatal blows.
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u/icay1234 Sep 06 '24
My impression wqs that Garling believed the rest of the elders to be ineffectual and complacent. Not so much a trajectory change, but an acceleration down the path they were already pointed.
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u/Astewisk Sep 06 '24
The Akainu of the Elders as it were. Same side and general ideology, but more extreme than any of them. At least that's how it feels atm
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u/paulohdscoelho Pirate Sep 06 '24
Garling: "let me handle the genocide, guys"
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u/Particular-Crow-1799 Sep 06 '24
We don't use the G word here. Here we "make the world a better place"
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u/dryduneden Pirate Sep 06 '24
Venusjuro used "cleansing"
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u/dienomighte Sep 07 '24
And that's why Garling will be a breath of fresh air, he'll have no problems calling his own genocidal actions genocide!
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u/hiddenpoint Sep 06 '24
And you can see the worry set in on JuPeter's face as the scene fades, realizing that the fight against Joyboy is now in full swing, and the punishment for failure is death and replacement.
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u/ff8alex Sep 06 '24
Yes I believe the same as you, Saturn saw possibilities and had more thirst for power and control his ambition let to his downfall
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u/ruthlessgrimm Sep 06 '24
Garling executed the only good tenryubito so i doubt he'll turn good yikes
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u/Die4Gesichter Church of Buggy Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
Garlic will be the worst of the 5 elders I think
The last 5 elders were more "lets keep the status quo and kill everyone that wants to change it" easy
He seems more like "let's fuck shit up and go scorched earth if necessary" which seems to have been the approach during the void century
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u/baroqueworks Sep 06 '24
Declining Empires fall faster when the controlling administration appoints extremists who align with their own agenda that I'd already actively ripping apart the Empire.
We've seen Garling in his prime and at current time being a ruthless executioner for the ruling class who believes the people outside of World Nobles are less than human. When you replace a scientist with a soldier, things tend to get more barbaric, even if the bar was already that low
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u/Kirosh2 Lookout Sep 06 '24
What I wonder is if he knew about Imu before he became a member of the Gorosei.
It would be interesting to seeing his reaction to Imu if he didn't.
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u/Katakuri-sama Void Month Survivor Sep 06 '24
He received direct ordrer from imu so I believe he knows
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u/Kirosh2 Lookout Sep 06 '24
Yeah, but he could have received the order and made aware of Imu existing on the same day.
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u/dryduneden Pirate Sep 06 '24
It does bring up the question of who told Garling to meet with Imu. Presumably it wasn't one of the other Gorosei. One of those aides Imu has I guess?
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u/RaviRaviRavioli Sep 06 '24
It's not so unrealistic that the gorosei had some bizarre form of friendship amongst each other. Now, one of them is gone and an extern is placed on the vacant position. One that is not part of the "original crew". But there is also a high chance that there have been various gorosei troughout history.
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u/ff8alex Sep 06 '24
I think gargling thinks he can get the job done it's probably like an akainu type of character more ruthless and see the elders as passive or incompetents
It's like they had to bring me cause you idiots can't get the job done kind of actitud
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u/Kinto_il Sep 06 '24
i've got a baby theory that Garling is the bastardization or another perspective to Akainu's Absolute Justice.
I think we'll see that eventually Akainu's morality is justified by what he had assumed was good and evil-- whereas Garling is just like "nah my team, that means we go with what they say are the rules"
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u/Rickyszn034 Sep 06 '24
To think Garling would become a good guy or even entertain the idea is idiotic, guys see a character act level headed or non malicious in one scene and think the guy can all of a sudden become a righteous man. He is the most evil kind of individual, they commit such atrocious acts so regularly that they no longer feel any guilt or remorse for them, it has become routine and casual for them
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u/baroqueworks Sep 06 '24
We will probably eventually see God Valley from the perspective of Garling and the fight against Rocks.
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u/Kadurry Sep 06 '24
Weird how Kizaru didn't attend the meeting with Saturn and the vice-admirals. What was he up to? has he defected or something?
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u/dryduneden Pirate Sep 06 '24
Maybe he was just taking a moment at Egghead, and told them to go ahead since he can easily catch up
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u/Kinto_il Sep 06 '24
i was thinking about that this morning, im wondering if he stayed behind to grieve at Egghead
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u/dressnice_actnicer Sep 07 '24
The meeting was taking place in the ship as it was returning to the Marine HQ - Kizaru wouldn't be able to join physically right?
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u/Kinto_il Sep 06 '24
I think Garling is one step further as a believer than the rest of the Gorosei. His introduction was executing a Celestial that deviated from the system. None of the Gorosei have indicated any kind of enmity towards their own.
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u/Gold_Inspector_8707 Sep 06 '24
The man marked by flames is not a person who survived Imu's auto destruction, as many theorists say.
The surprising twists in Egghead finale Vegapunk is not dead, Saturn died by the hand of Imu taking away his immortality as he was at least over 200 years old and anybody can become an elder if Imu wants to.
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u/aLittleBitFriendlier Sep 07 '24
Stella interestingly doesn't seem to be among the remaining good Vegapunks. I suppose his consciousness was never transferred to punk records when he removed most of his head.
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u/dimiderv Pirate Sep 07 '24
Haven't seen anyone say that the man marked by flames is a person who survived Imus auto destruction whatever that mean
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u/Firexio69 Sep 07 '24
surprising twist
I don't think it's surprising at all considering One piece' history with deaths...
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u/BluescreenX Void Month Survivor Sep 06 '24
So tequila wolf (and the other brides, apparently) never meant to actually connect two places.
They were meant as elevated living space for the common folk, that the celestial dragons still need to have around, so they have someone to exploit.
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u/GoldenWhite2408 Sep 07 '24
Living on a presumably bridge with no shelter and no toliet or food source
Average commoner
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u/Historical-Lemon-99 Sep 06 '24
Some people are probably disappointed, but I like that the Gorosei are just regular old guys that have their own free will. It’s more interesting to me to see things like Saturn deciding on his own to keep the Giant Robot
To me it gives a reason for the Elders somewhat poor performance on Egghead. They are genuinely old men who have gotten comfortable and used to the status quo. They probably haven’t had to go all in literal centuries
Figarland also adds an interesting dynamic to that. He seems to be a bit extreme, and he’s a new “young blood” who probably has a lifetime of new ideas on what he wants to implement
I think it means a big change for the world and that the Gorosei are going to be a lot more organized and frightening in their next battle
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u/VerbumDei Sep 06 '24
Someone posted a theory that coincided with what I believe is gonna happen to the BB pirates in the regular chapter thread. I think that BB is going to be defeated by fate (which is one of the themes he was introduced on) and the lack of teamwork and trust his crew has. I think part of it will be the Catarina deception failing, causing her and maybe someone else getting caught, but the rest is going to involve what's happening with Caribou.
Based on BB's current actions, it seems he is fond of splitting up his crew for various things. And so it leads me to believe he will send some crew members for Shirahoshi and some others to Wano for both respective ancient weapons. What I think will happen here, and to tie up more loose ends, is that the SH alliance, who's locations are currently completely unknown, will step in to defeat the few Blackbeard crew members who show up. I really struggle to figure out how the SH alliance is going to be relevant, since it was mentioned they will be, this late in the game, and it seems super unlikely they'll all just show up magically at the final few islands to help Luffy. Instead, it seems way more likely they show up to defend previously liberated islands the Straw Hats were at.
The downside here is that pretty much everyone, including myself, kind of headcannoned that the BB crew is going to face off with the Strawhats for about 20 years so, since he seems to be the narrative opposite of Luffy. However, him going down due to lack of trust in his crew and underhanded techniques also shows how he is opposite as well.
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u/JackVonReditting Explorer Sep 07 '24
Though I agree about the lack of being a true team will a theme of his downfall, the face-off will happen. It’s literally light vs dark.
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u/SkippingSusan The Revolutionary Army Sep 09 '24
BB will have the Seraphim under control of Devon and attack Luffy at Laughtale. But surprise! The tenth Strawhat is Bonney and she’ll turn them back on him and defeat him. Then the Straw Hat Fleet will defeat the WG.
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u/silentpickle666 Sep 06 '24
Imu, using her ink-ink fruit, writes up a literal devil contract for the elders to sign, this gives them their pentagram powers/immortality and in return she has total control over all of them.
sorry i'm high
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u/stangbro Sep 06 '24
Wait, hold up. Keep smoking.
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u/Humanbeingplschill Sep 07 '24
Yknow if we follow the logic of this specific crack theory, ypu can even make a connaction between Imu and authorship, Imu being the ekbodiment of restriction and oprresiom and what is more restricted and oppresive han a world whose existence, fate and destiny, penned by an uncaring author?
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u/Derekwst3 Sep 06 '24
I wonder if Garling will be the new Tsukiyomi or a new yokai. since he represents the moon maybe some sort of moon themed yokai like the moon rabbit, or other rabbit looking thing like Almiraj or Wolpertinger.
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u/Brutusness Sep 06 '24
Some people theorize he could be Fenrir, given his connection to the moon and the end of the world. Also apparently Garling is derived from the word Geri, which means "spear" but is also the name of one of Odin's wolves.
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u/Rickyszn034 Sep 06 '24
Unlikely. Fenrir if represented in the story through a character would be someone who OPPOSES THE CELESTIALs, fenrir had a desire to destroy the "gods" and bring chaos and darkness. This is more akin to blackbeard, and potentially could represent Rocks
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u/Derekwst3 Sep 06 '24
Im still in the Boat that Rocks was a good guy and the government just spun him as evil as Luffy. In the worlds eye Luffy just kidnapped and killed Vegapunk but us the viewers know the truth. Newspaper wise Luffy is also a dark rebellious person. but all his friends know the truth.
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u/Fertuyo Sep 06 '24
But why would Roger and his crew team up with the marines to defeat him? From what we know Roger's crew was similar to Luffy's.
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u/Derekwst3 Sep 06 '24
just call it a hunch. I feel we are missing a major piece of the puzzle to that. My head canon Xebec wanted the most precious thing to him, his treasure. His son. Rocks D Buggy. Roger had a reason to fight him, the missing piece. and Rocks lost and before his death asked Roger to watch over his son. We can also look at his crew Gloriosa, Shiki, Whitebeard, Streusen, all seem to be on the nicer side. Big mom is misguided but does want harmony and everyone feed. Kaidou also felt he was going to be joyboy and be able to change the world. it is strange that his crew while not the greatest does have semi decent qualities. they are not perfect nor are they good, but if you look them in a certain way, they feel like they could do good.
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u/Rickyszn034 Sep 07 '24
Rocks D. buggy is a dumb theory honestly. Rocks strength is literally stated to be above WB and Garp in the road to laughtale 1053.1, there is no way his son is gonna be weak like Buggy. his son would be one of the strongest characters of the current era. I also think its very unlikely a man who had been active for so long before god valley and was likely extremely famous during brooks time would have a son that late. I'd expect his son to be above 50 or at least 47.
Streuson definetely is not a nice guy lol, bro groomed big mom and likely sexually manipulated her which led to the birth of her first child perospero.
I can agree with Gloriosa and whitebeard. Them being on the crew suggests Rocks is a positive character, and the WG love spreading false propoganda, they depict rocks as the most evil man ever when in reality he could be the opposite
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u/nemestrinus44 Sep 06 '24
also we are highly likely going to find a "Fenrir" on Elbaf with its incredibly subtle ties to Norse culture and mythology
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u/Tales90 Sep 06 '24
"Five Elder Planets" The Moon isnt a Planet so Garling is a Fake Elder!
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u/RaviRaviRavioli Sep 06 '24
Many of the planets in our solar system have moons. Maybe the gorosei are not happy with garling beeing appointed as elder planet, because he will orbit them and watch every single step they do.
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u/ClarenceBirdfrost Void Month Survivor Sep 06 '24
The word is more like "celestial body". It includes planets stars and moons.
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u/arielle17 Sep 06 '24
i wish the translation would just continue calling them the Five Elder Stars smh. five elder planets sounds dumb
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u/rms141 Sep 06 '24
The Japanese word "hoshi" references all stellar bodies, including stars and planets in the same category, as to the naked eye at night they are all just shining objects in the sky. The moon is a stellar body, it counts in this category. Before the Gorousei's named were revealed to be planetary references, they were called the Five Elder Stars.
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u/DoBetter-BeBetter Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
Theory regarding Emeth - I think he climbed the Red Line 200 years ago to protect the Mermain Princess of the time, mistaking her for Poseidon.
Here's my reasoning: Both Vegapunk and now Saturn have wondered what powers the robot. Vegapunk couldn't figure out its source, while Saturn asked himself why did it was dormant for 200 years. From our reader's perspective, we know Emeth woke up after hearing the drums of liberation, but I don't think it's the drums themselves that necessarily powered it up. It can't be, because Luffy is the first to awaken the Nika fruit since Joy Boy, so there needs to be a different explination for why Emeth awoke 200 years ago to attack the Holy Land and why awaken now.
My guess is that Emeth is always on, he just chooses to remain dormant. Probably from the shame of having failed Joy Boy in the past. It was only when he thought his friend was back that he chose to wake up. The same thing must have happened 200 years ago with another one of Joy Boy's companions -- the mermaid princess.
We know 200 years ago is when the Fishman and Merfolk were allowed to attend the Reverie for the first time and lose the classification of "fish", although the racism remained. Why at that point in time, after 600 years of oppression? Likely because Imu wanted to make a play at obtaining Posiedon. We know the power reawakens in a mermaid princess "every couple hundred years" but we don't have exact insight on the frequency of it's reincarnation. It's entirely possible princesses are born with the potential of unlocking the power, but never do.
We do know however that the Sea Kings grow restless when their queen is close to birth. So here's my theory: 200 years ago, a mermaid princess was born with the potential of unlocking the powers of Posiedon and the Sea Kings rejoiced. Imu, who I'm speculating can freely control the Voice of all Things (explains his telepathy with the Gorosei) heard them talk and decided to allow the merfolk to join the Reverie in an attempt to capture her. Emeth I'm speculating was deep underwater at this time, sleeping dormant. After the Void Century war, he fell in the ocean as the continents sank and he remained there until one day, also using the VoaT, he overhear the Sea Kings talking about their queen attending the Reverie.
Emeth, misunderstanding her for the original Posiedon and thinking one his old friends is still alive, makes the climb and attacks the Holy Land to protect her, only to learn this mermain princess hasn't, nor ever will awaken Posiedon's power. So Emeth just stops attacking, waiting dormant again until the same thing happens 200 years later, on Egghead with Luffy whom he mistakes this time as Joy Boy.
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u/ThePeteEvans Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 06 '24
Why wouldn’t Emeth wake up when Shirahoshi was in trouble at this Reverie, or at any point when she was constantly being attacked by Vander Decken then?
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u/ChaoticFlameZz Pirate Sep 06 '24
have to wonder what'll become of Lilith? Does she essentially become a permanent crew member? Or just another freeloader. Imagine the shenanigans we could have with her tho. Especially with Franky and Usopp, and maybe Chopper too. All 3-4 could come up with some random shit together, or in my ideal scenario, they try making an artificial devil fruit
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u/ff8alex Sep 06 '24
I think Lilith is a freeloader but like Kinemon may be with them until the end
But I also think if they happen to meet with Sabo or some of the revolutionaries then Lilith will go with them to help them develop weapons for the war
Something like this
Sabo: Luffy the one who gets the one piece will gain control over the war we can't let anyone else get it, but I have no doubt it will be you, I'm counting on you brother
Luffy: of course I will be king of the pirates!
Then Lilith will say something like I will help the revolutionaries for the War and make weapons for them
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u/ChaoticFlameZz Pirate Sep 06 '24
The problem I have with the take of Lilith going to the revolutionaries is that "FrankenPunk" (the new VP that I've been referring as since reveal) could just do the same after the Punk Records and Weatheria thing gets settled. After all of that is done, they can just rendezvous to the revos instead of Lilith who can just continue with Luffy and friends.
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u/ff8alex Sep 06 '24
She may be able to let a hand to Franky before leaving since Lilith seems to be more into Guns and power tech like Franky does
Maybe some improvements on the sunny
Hell the theory that the sunny itself may be created from the ancient weapon Franky had may be true but I could be un finished maybe Lilith can help Franky to finish the Sunny to become and ancient weapon
Maybe it needs to be filled with something that's not cola maybe the mother flame
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u/nemestrinus44 Sep 06 '24
with how close the story should be to the end she may be a free loader that just happens to stay on the ship until the end, but i'd bet a lot that she joins up with the RA at some point. hopefully she uses her smarts to enhance a bunch of stuff, like she's a Vegapunk so she should know how to feed a devil fruit to an inanimate object so maybe that will be an upgrade to Usopp or even Zoro (as doubtful as it is i think Zoro having a DF on one of his swords would be super cool. doubt it would be Enma, and Wado Ichimonji seems like he would rather die than lose/break or alter it, so it would have to be Sandai Kitetsu).
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u/ChaoticFlameZz Pirate Sep 06 '24
she could, but a major problem with this thought is that the new VP (which im referring to as FrankenPunk) could just do that instead. After the Punk Records and Weatheria matter gets settled, they could rendezvous to the Revs instead of Lilith who would instead just stay as a freeloader or even an official crew member.
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u/Black_Ironic Explorer Sep 07 '24
Maybe she will stay at Elbaf to study more from the books, and teach the barbaric Giant how to make advanced machinery
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u/Which-Dragonfruit-44 Sep 08 '24
nah she'll be the new and last crew member of straw hats they lack scientist and she is part of the biggest brain ever
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u/luffyland96 Sep 06 '24
- Garling goes to Egghead(probably in cover page story) - VAs on egghead will leave the marine or join sword, or maybe even RA - Because of food sortage on the red line, the world government will try to attack the RA - I have no idea what Dragon is planning, but he is likely to make a more significant move now😍
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u/RaviRaviRavioli Sep 06 '24
So from our current knowledge, it will properly not be possible to defeat the gorosei before defeating imu. This makes it way more difficult in a final fight. Like a boss that constantly spawns annoying smaller enemies.
But this also explains why the gorosei do not know joyboy in person. They've been assigned as gorosei after the big war of the void century.
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u/Black_Ironic Explorer Sep 07 '24
Welp let me cook, it would make Imu to be defeated first in the plot before defeating the rest of the elders... And you know what, maybe Garling will be a twist villain because now that Imu is gone he can get the Throne for himself, and he fights with his power before getting Zoan-like power from Imu.
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u/SecretaryBird777 Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
This might just be me over-analyzing a panel, but I think that this chapter reinforces the idea that Ju Peter is a traitor. He was quite shocked and was sweating after finding out that Garling became an elder. He might've had a plan to betray the World Government, but it might've been ruined by the addition of Garling into the equation and the realisation that Imu has the power to kill any of the five elders on a whim.
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u/GaddockTeegFunPolice Sep 06 '24
I more think that he realized saturn was a dead man with garling as his replacement which means that their immortality is dependent on imus good will
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u/SecretaryBird777 Sep 06 '24
You're probably right. As i said, I'm probably just overthinking it. Although, you can never put anything past GODA
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u/OkApplication8780 Sep 06 '24
I have the some thought. There were already some speculation about him being a traitor before. He was relatively inactive on Egghead compared to the other Gorosei, plus he swallowed/saved random cp agents and spit them out. Would be weird to do that if you consider humans as insects. But of course even among the Gorosei idealogy can differ. Also, Egghead was a traitor heavy arc with Stussy and York. But it would be a nice plot twist.
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u/dryduneden Pirate Sep 06 '24
They don't know that Imu can kill them on a whim, just that any of the Elders are quickly replaceable
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u/RaviRaviRavioli Sep 06 '24
So I already have a theory regarding the newest info we got on the relationship between imu and the gorosei. I will repost it later anyway, if the embargo is dropped. But I already want to hear other opinions on that:
There can never be more than five gorosei
So we've recently seen that imu can withdraw the immortality from the gorosei.
If imu can just randomly gift incredible powers like immortality and invincibility, why not try to increase the number of overpowered fighters in his inner circle? The messed up celestial dragon gen pool pops out at least one worthy candidate from time to time, like garling.
Imus capacity to gift these abilities is limited and he cannot maintain more than five gorosei at any given time.
This could be a natural limitation, so imu would already be at the peak. Or back in the good ol' days of the void century imu could maintain way higher numbers of gorosei-like fighters, but was deprived of this power. Maybe in the fight against joyboy.
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u/dryduneden Pirate Sep 06 '24
Could always be the classic splitting power trope, with Imu killing off the Gorosei as his fight with Luffy or whatever goes on to recover the powers
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u/Franky_95 Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
At this point it's almost confirmed that Imu has a devil fruit model "devil" and the gorosei made a pact with the devil to obtain life span. The moment they aren't useful anymore Imu can break the pact and give them their original aspect. Imu on the other hand is probably immortal for another reason, which is the Ope Ope fruit.
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u/JiN88reddit Sep 06 '24
Garling joining does kinda fuels an old theory I read here before.
The CD were notoriously cruel to anyone else, and that may be a reason for that. The cruelty fuels Imu's whatever power. Since Garling is relatively young compared to the other elders, he already shows the same indifference as with the other elders. Since Saturn died, the ruthless requirements is required and not whatever bound by those present in the Void century.
In other words, having a cruel group of people is necessary and any CD can be promoted to elder level.
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u/Kuropa Sep 06 '24
This chapter was very interesting, I like how the goroseis who give orders and news to others were surprised by the garling news, also I’m so interested to know how did imu appointed Figarland, did he invite him to the flower room, a flashback will be good to answer that. Unless his family knew about Imu somehow, he shouldn’t be aware of Nerona’s existence. Also he is the moon with other planets
Jupiter is under heat now, not just because of garling but because he is the minister of agriculture and the chapter finally talked about the food problem in Mariegeoise.
Seeing Saturn old 200 years ago makes one wonder if he is not from the void century although that seems unlikely. Said that before but again the st Charlos family who always appear seem like a good Nerona family candidates , we always see them and don’t know what family they’re from unless imu didn’t marry at all because after all he is still alive, especially with the daughter being interested in the vegapunk video
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u/That_One_Prog Sep 06 '24
Okay so I've been thinking about this line:
Besides the places they already stated exist (Red Line and the Bridges) there might be a few islands that might be able to stay above sea level.
Drum Island has a big mountain, people could probably stay at the top of that. I'm certain that Dalton would be willing to lend the castle out to anyone who wants to stay there.
Wano's entire country is on a altitude, so that'll probably keep them safe. Hopefully, they open Wano's borders soon so people can get in.
There's some other places I'm sure about as well, but it's kind of hard to tell which places have the highest ground for people to be competing over. I figure any island with at least a large mountain seems like it's gonna get a lot of new people coming in to stay there.
Can anyone else think of any Islands?
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u/Zeozen Sep 06 '24
There's the obvious water 7, which floats (or will float? Can't remember if they finished the remodeling).
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u/That_One_Prog Sep 07 '24
Well that's a very interesting idea. Although, by that logic, Thriller Bark would also be habitable since it's technically a ship and not an island.
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u/ItsMeSo Sep 07 '24
Thriller Bark should be fine as well (it's not really an island, but big enough to have a lot of people in)
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u/CyberGraham Sep 06 '24
Should have added "Shanks never visited Mary Geoise, it was his twin." to the poll
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u/F_Byte Sep 06 '24
"What constitutes death" is a really good title.
Stussy (as a CP0 agent) is dead. OG Vegapunk doesn't speak to the other Vegapunks so he might be dead. Saturn (an immortal beign) actually died.
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u/dienomighte Sep 06 '24
I'm still laughing at Saturn telling people that their failure isn't letting Luffy go or anything with the robot, but rather that the problem is the broadcast, only to be killed for the first two by Imu.
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u/Kinto_il Sep 06 '24
A lot of shit happened to the Marines this day. But, an old man spontaneously melting directly in front of your eyes will definitely mar them for the rest of their lives.
Although this is shonen logic, it was just a Thursday.
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u/Schpitzchopf_Lorenz Explorer Sep 06 '24
I wonder if the spoken out Name of IMU paird with the gruesome Death of Saturn will lead towards the Vice Admirals becoming critical of the WG...
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u/Actual-Ad-6895 Sep 06 '24
I think Catrina Devon uses Saturn image to go to Impel Down and "Order" the release of several inmates.
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u/xxxlr1 Sep 06 '24
That last panel with Dragon really made my head canon think that he is capable of.. dragon powers. Those mark or tattoos on his face reminded me of a dragon's skin. Probably also capable of some weather controlling capabilities.
Any one has any guess on mythical zoan creature candidate?
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u/Lordomi42 Sep 06 '24
To get the obvious out of the way, "dragon" may be a candidate.
Kaido already had an eastern dragon with his fish-fish fruit cause of the waterfall myth, but Dragon could have a western dragon of some kind. Or even a "true" eastern dragon that isn't fish related, since those are more closely associated with wind.
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u/Toonzaal8 Sep 06 '24
Saturn looks like what i´d expect from a person eating a second DF..
Makes me think that Imu has a power that allows people to eat an additional DF, but if Imu pulls back her-his part of power within a person it´s BOOM time
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u/ExpiredDeodorant Sep 06 '24
Imu- Garling what's your experience with science
Garling- I'm an expert in eugenics
Imu- great you're hired, you start immediately
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u/taxikicker45 Sep 07 '24
The way they reacted to garling walking in makes me think it was another gods knight that sat down with the 5 elders during reverie, so the shanks look a like is a gods knight, I guess they aren't meant to be making decisions just do the bidding of people higher than them.
There will be a flashback of garling and imu talking and him being granted a monster form, I wonder what it is?
But that begs the question I think tekking also brought up are gods knights used for? genocide or warring? They don't seem to be used for anything else. Do they shut down revolutions as they are happening off screen?
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u/brendyyn Sep 07 '24
I always thought it was absurd that all the characters acted like the vegapunks were dying when his brain is still there, i figured theyd be ok and i imagined theyd go escape to meet with weatheria people due to their cloud tech. about the only time i felt like i predicted something in one piece, heh ., although wheres stella?
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u/LouieYoureGonnaDie Sep 07 '24
York is going to be enslaved and she will build the infinite food machine for the Tenryubito to solve their “famine problem”. Luffy would be pissed
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u/rbosjbkdok Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24
The planet furthest from Imu has been eliminated. The moon has joined. Since he's the moon, he'll be Imu's right hand man and the strongest among the elders.
Also since the moon is already taken, Blackbeard won't be relevant in the endgame.
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u/Vladik1993 Sep 07 '24
Actually Blackbeard is the black hole", while the Gorosei represent the planets surrounding the Earth (Imu) and Luffy the Sun.
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u/NinjaTabby The Revolutionary Army Sep 06 '24
Still want Blackbeard to have the most definitive death in the series.
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u/ArmadilloFour Sep 07 '24
Can't believe another one of the Big 3 is gonna end with a Shonen protagonist fighting the moon again, smdh.
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u/CMC777888 Sep 06 '24
So is it possible that some of the powers (unageing/slowed aging, regeneration, telepathy, and teleportation.) of the Elders come from Imu? Perhaps when someone is chosen to be one of the Five Elders they make some sort of pact with Imu. However, if Imu shares their power with someone it comes at the cost of your life. If you fail like Saturn did then Imu takes both their power back along with your life. As if you making a deal with a god...or the devil.
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u/dryduneden Pirate Sep 06 '24
I always rolled with the idea that all the powers came from Imu. We saw the shadow stuff come from him when Sabo infiltrated
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u/RockNo5773 Sep 06 '24
God it's satisfying to see that bastard finally bite the dust he's more than earned his death. Now we just need to wait for Blackbeard to get what's coming to him.
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u/Sufficient-Dig7568 Sep 07 '24
It's bold coming from the guy who only looks east, but Dragon calling out Vegapunk for not calling out the World Government was cool to see.
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u/GoldenWhite2408 Sep 07 '24
Feels weird So obviously this means the gorosei aren't tha OG from 800 yrd ago
But that just means at this point in time It just so happens the 5 are named after celestial bodies in our irl solar system ay just the right time
So I wonder Is the name Saturn passed down and due becomes figerland Saturn
Or legit was just a wild coincidence the current before series start goroswi all had just the right name
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u/TaffyLacky Sep 06 '24
Because of Saturn exploding, I think losing immortality was preventing him from the consequences of eating two fruits alongside aging.
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u/Enurpapi Sep 06 '24
Did I skip something? When did he got 2 devil fruits?
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u/Enurpapi Sep 06 '24
That would mean that each elder has eaten the same fruit, but that cant be because there is only one fruit of each kind. Maybe Imu's power is just to control life. From the 200 years old flashback we can tell the gorosei has been around for a lot of time. Maybe Imu just took out the inmortality and he died bc he should have been dead a long time ago. Like, Imu's power makes you not die, but when he takes it out, your body gets affected for all the time passed?
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u/arielle17 Sep 06 '24
i actually love this theory omg. it would also explain why they weren't introduced with their fruit names if each of them had eaten 2 (or even 3?) devil fruits
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u/slipperysnail Sep 06 '24
It would be funny if Garling was both the person responsible for the Flevance plague and put Who's Who in charge of the Gomu Gomu transporatation
That would make him responsible for literally every fuck up in modern times lol
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u/rDevilFruitIdeasMod Explorer Sep 06 '24
So here's my crackpot theory on Imu's powers: it's just a straight up immortality-immortality fruit. Imu is immortal and can bestow or revoke that immortality on anyone he chooses. This is how the elders were healing on egghead.
When Imu removes it, the target rapidly ages to dust. 200 years ago, Saturn was an old man, he's probably pushing 300. The immortality also creates a link which is how Imu zapped Saturn too.
The unaccounted for variable is their powers. The elders weren't introduced as "sandworm-sandworm fruit", just "sandworm". Personally I believe they all have super zoan powers with immortality added on top by Imu, since as the 5 elders they could concievably obtain any fruit.
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u/dryduneden Pirate Sep 06 '24
I don't vibe with the aging thing. Dying and decomposition doesn't make you explode in a shadowy mess.
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u/Far-Wind2370 Sep 06 '24
I still don’t get the bridges (Tequilla wolf) thing — can someone explain it? Need my library of Ohara video early lol
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u/CrewOrdinary8872 Void Month Survivor Sep 06 '24
The bridges are probably places for the surviving common folk to live. The Celestial Dragons do still need a population to exploit after the world sinks, of course.
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u/MarineRitter BOB Sep 06 '24
So the little shred of humanity that Saturn had, whether it was just his curiosity when it comes to science, was what ended up killing him. He was the one who kept Emeth a secret.
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Sep 06 '24
I think it’s crazy how Saturn has been living for however long. That 200 year flashback, confirms that he has been alive for a very long time. Either due to Imu or something else
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u/Valrayne Sep 06 '24
Someone new being added to the gorosei makes me believe that Inu's fruit is the Devil-Devil fruit. But she has 5 harbingers of the apocalypse instead of the usual 4 in christian lore. She's looking to flood the planet so that the moon people can come back from the moon and inhabit earth.
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u/Sufficient-Dig7568 Sep 06 '24
The next chapter will just be V.Nusjuro pouting because he's not the only sword guy anymore.
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u/Easy_Humor_5227 Sep 07 '24
A lot of big revelations in this chapter. It seems like Im does grant some form of immortality to the Gorosei.
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u/LouieYoureGonnaDie Sep 08 '24
Does anyone else feel like seeing Garling from the front he looks more like a shining Star than he looks like the moon ?
BTW let’s not forget the super rookies were called the Supernovae by the WG that might be something 👀
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u/Die4Gesichter Church of Buggy Sep 06 '24
Saturn's "I...Mu!!" isn't drawn as telepathic speech. He actually said/screamed those words.
Oho.