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One Piece: Chapter 1125 Current Chapter Spoiler
Chapter 1125: "What Constitutes Death"
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Ch. 1124 Official Release (Mangaplus): 08/09/2024
Ch. 1126 Scan Release: ~12/09/2024
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u/--tummytuck-- Void Month Survivor 4h ago
'None of us knew these details'
Dragon, bro, wtf you start the revolutionary army.
You stumbled into the right cause harder than buggy stumbled into the position of yonko
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u/Miserable_Quarter_35 2h ago
Half agree with you..or probably maybe dragon know something else that we don't know yet.. more dark secrets about WG..
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u/Honest_Tea_7845 6h ago
The celestial dragon’s ignorance just baffles me, if the whole world sunk and everyone died, then whom they will collect the heavenly tributes from, the heavenly tributes that are the sole reason why live in luxury, if everyone died, then they will slowly starve and die, utter ignorance.
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u/Miserable_Quarter_35 2h ago
Like in the real world in the past history... Only 1% of the 1% are save in the end.. CD think they are important... iMU doesn't give a shit about them.. when restart happened 99.9999% will be gone..
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u/Imperatia Pirate 9h ago
Do you think those Vice-Admirals may be close to realizing that they are the baddies? (Or at least working for the baddies.)
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u/Efficient_Force_8299 2h ago
Yes I think so esp because they all saw what happened when Dobermann asked if vegapunk's message had any truths behind it
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u/Interesting_Egg_5452 11h ago
Garland gave me chills. Despite beeing so old, his posture still commands respect, kind of like Garp. I could imagine he is the evil celestial version of Garp. When he fights, he goes straight all out, and does crazy things.
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u/afanoferi 14h ago
Crazy to think that we're seeing or going to see more of Marines slowly realizing that they might be fighting for their own justices but they're just a small cog to this big evil. Admirals getting mad at each other, Vice Admirals questioning the truth (which now they can't refute with all their evidences), them being silenced on it as well. To add to the chaos, they're being targeted by civilians as well.
All in all, what a bad time to be a Marine.
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u/No-Flounder-7478 12h ago
You forget to tell they are being chased because they have a reward dead or alive too, that's crazy worst time to be a Marine
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u/RexRender 17h ago
With all those spare VegaPunk parts, why did the 4 of them merge, other than cool robot factor?
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u/Malamasala 15h ago
I think it was symbolism, to show that the entity currently contained the personalities of all those different parts.
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u/Crispyfever 18h ago
Insane to think that the Kuma story was just one part of this absolutely insane arc.
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u/Vulkan_Alpha 20h ago
I wonder where Saturn's Devil Fruit is going to end up.
Makes you wonder if Nami's going to find a very strange spider-shaped orange on her tree next chapter.
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u/ATLKing24 19h ago
I doubt the Gorosei even have devil fruits. More likely they get power directly from Imu
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u/K4l1n 19h ago
Imu might have a creativity-based fruit like Luffy, allowing him to give people the characteristics of dreams/legends/stories/whatever else
Ofc this is all just baseless speculation
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u/justathoughtofmine 16h ago
Human human fruit: model Angel (lucifer)
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u/ATLKing24 11h ago
Or he's just a literal devil. Could've been experimented on to make devil fruits
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u/Leather_Package2119 20h ago
Well only Nami could tell and see those DF spawn in her tree since most of the Strawhats are banned from there because of Sanji...
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u/jacobwyc 7D4W 21h ago
Hmm why do I have a feeling Joyboy is the power of dreams and for dreamers, whereas imu is the nightmare and takes away and nullifies powers like blackbeards fruit 100x stronger and only joyboy can face Imu
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u/JaChuChu 21h ago
I'd like to point out that the spoilers said "Doberman gets his head popped" (paraphrasing), and everyone interpreted that literally as his head blowing up, and that is not what actually happened, instead its more like a psychic blast to the head (ish), and thats what we saw Saturn do to Straw Hats, so... I think the idea that Saturn just didn't try it on the Straw Hats because "plot armor" is a little weaker for that
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u/saladvtenno 11h ago
We already saw Saturn doing it to Sanji and I believe Luffy anyways
Of course stronger characters with stronger defenses than fodder marine soldiers can withstand it
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u/Piepieweenie Void Month Survivor 21h ago
does anyone reconise the person or thing that is in the right corner of the panel that shows koala talking?
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u/Sky_Dragon_King Pirate 9h ago
That's Gambo. One of the debuty commanders. You can see all the other debuties in that same panel.
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u/Sufficient-Dig7568 22h ago
Dragon has got to be the worst person at information briefing. The fact that none of his top officers, including Ivankov, knew about any of the WGs plans is almost silly.
He's lucky that Sabo stumbled into the Gorosei's meeting with Cobra. Hopefully the RA stage another big move soon, because the hype ain't living up yet.
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u/LivingInTheStorm 6h ago
How much does Dragon even know considering how else is he convincing people his cause is just other than well you've got nothing better going on in your life so might as well join me
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u/abcdefghij0987654 8h ago
Dragon is an expert at looking menacingly to the distance saying a bunch of nothing statements and "..."
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u/Venator850 22h ago
Wow was not expecting the changeup of the five elders but this is definitive proof that Imu is the one granting them their powers. No wonder they are so staunchly loyal lol.
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u/Lunar_Delta 21h ago
They're probably living in a state of constant, mortal terror lol.
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u/justathoughtofmine 16h ago
Looks like they dont get replaced very often though, even Saturn was more than 200 years old
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u/ThaddCorbett Thriller Bark Victim's Association 22h ago
- Regarding where the cover stories are going: I'm becoming more and more convinced that Blackbeard is going to how up here. Do you think there's anyway possible Kaido and BM at the sacrifice of a large chunk of their own mortality, managed to dig themselves out of that volcano. Kaido could die trying to protect Yamato.
- Glad to see Vegapunk lives on in several hosts. He really can't live up to the hype if he can't protect himself from death, right?
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u/jnrbenitez 20h ago
It definitely seems to be going that direction when he finds out Pluton is wano. Fishmen island is too far to go to, so logically he'd go to wano. I'm not sure the wano forces could do anything to stop him. Plus, he has the perfect fruit to bring the walls down
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u/fameboygame 1d ago
OG Vegapunk dying and his clones living on reminds me of the basic motto from V for Vendetta:
“The man may perish, but ideas? They are bulletproof. They are forever.”
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u/TheDreamIsEternal 1d ago
Can we please take a moment to think just how much did Saturn fuck everything up. Not only was he responsible for the series of events that allowed the new Joy Boy to emerge, but he also kept the Iron Giant that ended up saving said Joy Boy.
I mean, damn, Imu was right here.
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u/Sufficient-Dig7568 1d ago
Imu: "Hey kid, what science did you major in?"
Garling: "Does Poli.Sci count?"
Imu: "Close enough, you're hired!"
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u/Boring_Freedom7532 1d ago
So luffy is probably gonna end up fighting his dad huh
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u/wilstreak 22h ago
Straw Hat will at least has to fight Imu, and Blackbeard.
So that leaves another 3 candidate Shanks, Revolutionary, and Buggy in distant 5th.
i don't think Luffy will fight all of them. I mean you can't expect 1 fight to last less than 2 years.
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u/paceisthetrick Lurker 1d ago
Sabo said in Dressrosa if it ever came to helping Luffy achieve his dreams, he swore he’d drop everything for him
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u/Yuriski1 1d ago
I wonder how many Vice Admirals are regretting their job after this chapter.
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u/Sufficient-Dig7568 22h ago
I think if they don't connect the dots with Saturn burning up and the yokai monsters, then they're all morons.
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u/Malamasala 15h ago
I'm more curious about if they'll have the guts to go back to base and report "The elder we were protecting suddenly died". I mean they know it wasn't their fault, but will anyone else know?
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u/Sufficient-Dig7568 5h ago
I guess the WG will just announce Saturn's retirement and force the Vice Admirals into some sort of cease and desist deal.
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u/Mythosaurus 1d ago
I don't understand how York was able to eat and rest for the Stella and satellites if the satellites were all robots.
Was she just supposed to do that for the Brain to make it feel good? Like if York wasn't eating, sleeping, and pooping for the Brain, it would feel sleep deprived and starving.
Or is she actually sending energy to the robotic bodies of the satellites?
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u/Far-Pen-3125 1d ago
This was a interpretation of the wireless energy transfer that exists in the real world to the world of One Piece. She eats, generates energy, then sends her energy to the others.
If this was possible, it would eliminate the need of eating and pooping. We eat to gain energy. However, we spend that energy faster than our bodies can process distribute the energy for our cells. So, we have to sleep in order to let our bodies recharge and to repair itself from some damage. Since Vegapunks are robots, they may be optmized to recharge faster, so there would be no need for them to sleep. Though, it is ilogical that they require sleep now and not before.
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u/BlueRose2804 1d ago
I think Luffy's gonna get a huge bounty this time, his bounty raise was not that high after Wano considering his accomplishments and forces behind him. Now I think, Navy will no longer try to undermine Luffy efforts and gonna make sure that he gets hunted by all means necessary
Also seems like, everyone is now after One Piece, so we're getting a huge competition for Luffy.
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u/wilstreak 22h ago
well yeah, murdering Vegapunk (just like Government want the public to believe) should warrant pretty heavy bounty.
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u/dalbukerke 1d ago
Imho i think bounties became pointless the moment we stopped seeing bounty hunters, one of the biggest losses in One Piece :(
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u/BlueRose2804 1d ago
Yeah, One Piece really should have introduced some strong group of characters who actively hunt pirates or criminals for bounties, they could have been another strong faction
Something like Baroque Works
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u/stormdressed 1d ago
I'm keen to see if Garling can make them relevant again. It would be a good way to add to the chaos if claiming a bounty could lead to protection against the waters (even if that's a lie)
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u/NotAGoodUsername36 1d ago
Luffy's actions have lead to the death of a GOROSEI. Even Gol D Roger never fucked the World Government THAT hard.
Five Billion not at all unreasonable. Could go even higher. They may commit half the Treasury to Luffy's head.
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u/wilstreak 22h ago
maybe Imu/WG will agree to Blackbeard's request to give him legal sovereignity as long as he can bring him Luffy's head.
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u/BlueRose2804 1d ago
This time Luffy and Co has hit World Government Hard, not only they survived the Buster Call again, this time they dominated them to the point all five elders had to show up even after all the Vice Admirals, CP0 and Admiral were there. Because of Straw Hats they completely failed this time
Not to mention, Imu is getting PTSD just from the name of Joyboy and he might really make sure that Luffy gets hunted down for good
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u/BustANupp Thriller Bark Victim's Association 1d ago
It wasn’t necessarily the name of Joyboy that sets him off, it was the conquerors Haki the knot released. He is seen screaming in the panel (ch 1122, p 14) following its release that clears the elders, except Saturn, from Egghead. Add that to what appeared like him pulling Saturns Soul/Life/Power after declaring him a failure and it comes off as he’s the Elders direct source of strength and likely life as well since Saturn was 200+ years old.
It gave me the feeling that Haki (maybe Conquerors specifically) is the antagonistic power to what Imu uses, whether it’s a devil fruit/DF origin or something else. We’ve always known Haki is all that can overcome ridiculous DF powers and that could be the same relationship between Joyboy/Imu.
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u/NotAGoodUsername36 1d ago
Absolutely. Luffy's bound to get a record-breaking bounty after this stunt, especially since the WG obviously plans to blame the entire Egghead Island incident- including the deaths of Vegapunk (albeit they are unaware it is only a permanent clinical death, technically) and Saint Saturn- on him.
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u/nazishark 1d ago
If Imu was able to communicate with Figarland directly, does that mean Shanks may know about him too?
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u/TheOnePSUIsReal 1d ago
So it was clear that the Gorosei are being given their immortality by Imu given what happened to Saturn, so it's possible that Figarland did not know of Imu before Imu communicated with him and presumably made him immortal.
That's kind of the sense I got when Figarland walked in and the Gorosei acted like he was below them until he revealed he was the new Defense Science Warrior God.
So if I'm right on that, Shanks wouldn't definitely know about Imu, but still could.
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u/TheBossman40k 11h ago
I think he might have been high enough on the food chain to be allowed to know about Imu, just not high enough to act as if he knows. He walks in the room saying to the 5 elders (the big bosses) he has new orders. It's clearly not from them, and others both can't really order Garling around and if they could would not let him overstep the elders like that. One of them warns him to tread lightly (with the implication of who is being referred to) until Garling reveals his promotion and sits down. That's how I interpreted it at least.
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u/TheOnePSUIsReal 10h ago
Quite possible! I just checked the exact sequence and after he says he has new orders, Warcury says "Orders from whom,"
So kinda feels to me like they assume Garland didn't know about Imu or he'd assume the orders were from Imu. But we definitely can't be sure from just this!
20 years reading and still got me guessing haha
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u/MJDooiney 1d ago
The most striking thing about this chapter for me is the revelation that Saturn is, in fact, at least 200 years old, and he was already an old man then.
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u/Far-Pen-3125 1d ago
I assume that the oldest elder is Nusjuro as his clothes are different. Then, Peter, Next, Saturn (with at least 260 years), Topman, Mars. Finally and obbviously, Figarland (~70 years).
There may be 2 or 3 previous generations of Goroseis for each seat.
Imu has at least 850 years, but probabily more.
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u/WilliamTheGamer 1d ago
I had assumed they were all hundreds of years old at least, while Imu was at least 1,000 or so.
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u/MJDooiney 1d ago
Same, but it’s nice to get a concrete answer.
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u/DomacVuk 14h ago
But we didn't. We now just know that 200 years ago he looked the same as now. He could still be 800+ years old
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u/AimanBOss66 1d ago
For realll, I didnt hear any of the reaction youtubers talking about it. I was so shocked when i read that little narrator note on that panel. Insane chapter by oda.
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u/XxSimon3 1d ago
I wonder how 4Kids would handle Saturns death scene.
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u/ExempliGratia97 23h ago
Imu menacingly points their finger down to Saturn
“You’ll be spending the rest of your days in the darkest pits of the underworld.”
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u/Tenshii_9 1d ago
Is Imu killing Saturn by striking him with vast amounts of conquerors haki similarily to Shanks vs Ryokugyu, but unrelenting - or is Imu taking back some power she/he bestowed upon Saturn?
Also, if there were some kind of devil fruit power keeping Saturn alive then remote conquerors haki might nullify this - also causing Saturn do die.
Maybe they all have immortality from using Laws devil fruit, preventing them from dying due to age (or Bonneys age fruit powers somehow acquired, used on the Gorosei), which cancels out if receiving a lot of conquerora hakl (again similiar to Shanks vs Ryokugyu where Ryokugues powers got canceled), being submerged in sea water, which could be the reason they rarely leave Marejois - and why conquerors haki is seen as such of a threat by marines & others.
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u/Far-Pen-3125 1d ago
Both options are possible. Graphically it seem like an attack rather than a retrieving of power. The Gorosei seem to be connected to each other and to Imu (though Imu alone controls his part of the connection). Imu attacked with the black flames and paralyzis (which could be both effects of the haki). The conqueror haki could be from Imu or from Saturn who could be using it to resist (unlikely as he lost), or a mix from both.
Your idea that Imu cancels their immortality with conqueror's haki is a good one. Perhaps the black flames are part of his akuma and he combines both abilities to kill the immortals?
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u/TRex-oni 22h ago
It definitely was a retrieval of power. If it was an attack from such distance, I don't see the reason Imu needs the gorosei to fight. He can just kill anyone he doesn't like in the world like that. Luffy might already be dead now if Imu can do that.
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u/Reasonable-Recipe 1d ago
If it was Imu taking back bestowed powers do you think Figurland will have the same transformation as Saturn
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u/Lequaris27 1d ago
maybe like you said, imu was taking back a bestowed power to give to figarland while killing saturn in the process, since in the entire show, whenever a zoan power was fully revealed it aways showed the base fruit name, rarity like in normal/ancient/mythical then the model, every zoan user whose power was revealed followed this format of showing the character name and fruit name and model, except the gorosei. Gorosei only showed the name of the beast/animal instead of fruit name and model, so maybe Imu's power is similar to AFO from my hero academia, Imu can create/take or absorb a fruit's power without drawbacks/limits and then transfer/bestow on someone else, next chapter we'll probably see the same effect that happened to saturn on figarland but this time he will receive the horned spider form or something else entirely.
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u/pikebot 1d ago
I feel like Imu might have just created up to nine new Jaguar D. Sauls. The vice-admirals just got a peek into some real dark shit at the top of the government and they looked pretty disturbed by it.
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u/Far-Pen-3125 1d ago
Perhaps he is going to accuse them of treason for killing Saturn and hunt them?
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u/FireIsTheCleanser 1d ago
The alcohol Wolf bridges seem like they're not built high enough if they're meant for the ocean level rises.
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u/TRex-oni 21h ago
They are as tall as the mountains. When Robin was at the bottom of it, she looked so tiny.
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u/someone2795 Captain Crackhead 1d ago
Wait I just realized York dresses skimpy because she's "Greed".
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u/Malamasala 15h ago
And Lilith is covered up because she is "Evil". It all makes so much sense now.
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u/Tenshii_9 1d ago
Saturn confirming the message was true, and once again by killing/KO'ing a vice admiral just for asking.
He could've just said that it was all disinformation, that if believed, could cause a lot of problems - rather than pushing marines closer to mutiny.
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u/stevomercedes Void Month Survivor 20h ago
Don’t forget his colosal mess up is saying Imu’s name in front of all of the Vice Admirals as he was dying.
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u/Tenshii_9 10h ago
Shouldnt be a problem when none knows who Imu is and if he's even uttering a real name/word
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u/stevomercedes Void Month Survivor 10h ago
Well, Ivankov and Cobra knew the name when they heard it . I don’t expect the vice admirals to know or care considering what they just saw, but I wouldn’t discard it as not a problem. If he was begging Imu for mercy telepathically why even groan it again?
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u/DomacVuk 14h ago
That was telepathy
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u/stevomercedes Void Month Survivor 12h ago
The begging for his life was telepathy. But just before he died he said I..mu. Out loud.
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u/LukeHanson1991 23h ago
I mean this chapter really showed us in more than one way that the Five Elders are not some all knowing Gods or robots. And the connection to Imu is at least not omnipresent. They are humans (or celestial dragons). Saturn did a lot of errors because of his emotions and own agendas.
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u/sogeking0004 Pirate 1d ago
Wait so, Koby said it, some marines said it, Sabo too, Shanks and Buggy, Blackbeard and many more pirates. So everybody will oppose Luffy and co claiming the One Piece?
Now everyone wants a piece for different reasons...
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u/Alternative_Ask8636 1d ago
I don’t see Dragon setting aside his life long ambition for his kid that he has never talked too. Abandon your kid to save the world, just to watch your kid that you abandoned save the world. The revs will probably think Luffy is too irresponsible.
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u/fillet0fish 1d ago
Ill take York's spare parts if they're not using it
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u/triotone The Revolutionary Army 1d ago
You wouldn't be having any lecherous plans now would you?
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u/fillet0fish 1d ago
What a disgusting accusation. I simply want to make a bank vault full of parts and dive in like scrooge mcduck
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u/uchicha15 1d ago
Lets not forget that Devon of the Blackbeard pirates copied Saturn. Wonder how that will play out
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u/D_Yamazaki 1d ago
I think that’s the reason why oda killed saturn. I think the elders don‘t know about saturns death, so she can step in very deep into their Territory. Or maybe they know about it and once devon is infront of them they strike her down/capture her and give BB a reason to Go to imu and maybe they collaborate somehow
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u/Shiny_Umbreon 7D4W 1d ago
I think they can assume he’s dead based on the fact that he got replaced
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u/andii74 1d ago
I think that’s the reason why oda killed saturn. I think the elders don‘t know about saturns death
9 VAs saw him die in front of their eyes, Kizaru will know it soon too. The news will get out to Marines and it's impossible it doesn't reach Elders. What do you think the VAs will do if not contacting Akainu/Mary Geoise that an Elder died under their charge?
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u/TheshizAlt 1d ago
Saturn told everyone to forget about Elbaf and took it upon himself to recoup with the marines rather than returning with the other elders. While he originally summoned the elders, he also essentially split off and acted on his own accord. You could say the same about Mars but unlike Saturn he wasn't initially taking charge of the situation. Probably from Imu's perspective he agreed to play the leader but sucked at it, or perhaps Imu decided the seeds of disloyalty were starting to be planted. Saturn begging for mercy might contradict this but I definitely think he had a complex.
I thought Dragon's perspective was interesting but I'm not buying that he wasn't at least somewhat aware of the implications of the One Piece. Perhaps he sensed a long time ago that Luffy would find it and that he would need to stop him, hence why he put so much distance between them? I'm sensing a disagreement between him and Sabo regarding the future of the revolutionaries, especially given that their faces were both featured in the panel where Vegapunk declared its importance.
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u/andii74 1d ago
took it upon himself to recoup with the marines rather than returning with the other elders.
Others were summoned, he traveled to Egghead. Joyboy's haki nullified the summoning, Saturn's body was in Egghead all along.
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u/HenryZusa 1d ago
I think Saturn was to blame because he's the one who decided to keep the robot, who in the end caused the pirates to escape.
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u/TheshizAlt 1d ago
The question is, was Imu even aware that the robot was still around? I'm sure that played a part in things too. Good point!
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u/Lightecojak 1d ago
Scrolled down and I just realized something from another conversation. The knot that contained Joy Boy’s haki had to have been made by the people from Weatheria where Nami was. Remember how undoing their knots created gusts of wind? Same principle could probably apply to Joy Boy’s haki.
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u/AwkwardPopcorn1 1d ago
Yeah , somebody made a theory about this very thing last week. Maybe we will get to see Nami using luffy'd haki or something. It is such a great concept
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u/cremino90 1d ago
If the Revolutionaires don't want anyone claiming the One Piece, wouldn't that put them against Luffy?
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u/wilstreak 22h ago
well they could claim it for themselves and then destroy it.
but realistically i don't see how with their battlepower, they could compete with other top dog.
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u/someone2795 Captain Crackhead 1d ago
Does that even matter? A lot of people in the story are after One Piece. The revolutionaries are just another competitor on that long list.
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u/StrangerAtaru 1d ago
I think that's the point. If it's a free-for-all, the Revolutionaries would want the One Piece to change the world in their manner; but who's to say it won't just make the world worse? It's a crapshoot to determine if or whether who will get the prize and what will happen when it's in their hands.
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u/HenryZusa 1d ago
I think everyone would be against Luffy at this time. The only thing stopping him from the One Piece is the man marked by flames.
On the other hand, not everyone is aware that you need the Road poneglyphs, so a lot of pirates may simply try to sail to the last island hoping for the best.
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u/iwannabethisguy 1d ago
The panels with Saturn's pleading looked really good while the one with dragon at the end seems off or doesn't have the same finesse as the Saturn panels. Anyone feel the same way?
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u/Leavism 1d ago
These are amateur scans and they can look a little off like you've notice. The official scans released on Sundays generally look better, but neither come close to the detail of the drawings in official volume books! People who only read online scans tend to miss out on a lot of the details that is really hard to see from digital scans but are very visible in the books.
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u/Batokusanagi Explorer 1d ago
Saturn (messes up everything, watching Egghead burning down): well, all according to plan.
Imu and Vegapunk: are you sure about that?
Seriously, the audacity of this man to believe he was just going to return to Marijois and hang out with boys as always. I do kinda get where's he's coming from: how could he have possibly foreseen that one of Joyboy's close allies running on unknown ancient kingdom technology could be dangerous? The most deserved and satisfying death in the story so far. RIP bozo.
The vice admirals I'm not sure will recover psychologically from this. They signed up to fight pirates not gods and giant robots and eldritch creatures from hell. What are they going to make of this? After the therapy, I mean. They don't even know why Saturn came to Egghead and now he explodes in front of them.
If this gets tacked onto Luffy's "crimes" this arc, then his bounty should be approximately 5.6 gazillion beries.
"How do you do, fellow elders?"-- Garling, probably. Didn't expect this is how he would truly enter the story as an antagonist, but him just walking into the room of authority like he own the place, laying the law and casually taking Saturn's seat was quite an entrance. Not sure about his qualifications as the warrior god of science though.
Rumors of Edison's death were greatly exaggerated, I guess. I'm giving him my vote for MVP of the arc. Could only have been better if he had also destroyed the mother flame.
The inside of Punk records looks suspiciously similar to the Birka ruins on the moon.
And it's heading towards Weatheria? Everything connects so perfectly. Peak.
Fun fact: Shaka says that it'll take 500 years for everyone to be able to connect to Punk records and currently the year is 1524, so it should be happening any time now. How does Oda keep getting away with it?!
Post-Egghead has only started and it's alteady getting wild. Consequences will never be the same after this.
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u/wanderaxb 1d ago
I like the thought of Imu's power being over death itself. Seems to have stopped the aging of the Elders, imbodied the power of death as these demon forms, once revoked it looks like Saturn rapidly aged until he perished, the idea that "death rules over all" even though there's not supposed to be one ruler. Luffy could be the foil to this as Nika represents hope, "hope never dies" ideology. No one is really concerned with Nika's power per se, but of his ability to inspire hope.
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u/funkmasterhexbyte Void Month Survivor 1d ago edited 1d ago
is it too early to start shipping Franky with Lilith or nah?
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u/SnooStrawberries5775 1d ago
Robin staked her claim in Water7 idk if there’s any coming back from that lol
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u/queb74 1d ago
He will always be robin’s
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u/snowcamo 1d ago
Guys you know what bridge is missing for a pentagon? GIN WOLF! Gin has been working on a secret bridge and that is where he has truly been.
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u/MrSatan88 1d ago
So I wonder if Garling will NOT qualify as an Elder that can control the Seraphim or Pacifista? People seem to be thinking that Catarina Devon will be able to control the Seraphims and Pacifista because they were programmed to obey Saturn...unless York can update it? If she CAN update the list of Elders, then it wouldn't make sense to keep Saturn on there, so fake Saturn won't work either.
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u/klabautermannn 1d ago
Then what if Devon (BB pirates) capture York?
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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army 1d ago
BB pirates are gone and we know York is with the Marines.
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u/topdangle 1d ago
I think celestial dragons also get some control and hes ranked even higher than celestial dragons.
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u/Alternative_Ask8636 1d ago
Sad we did not see any of saturn’s science stuff. I was ready to see him turn into a mecha spider.
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u/aznchuy 1d ago
The title, "what constitutes death" reminds me of doctor hiriluk's speech of "when does a man die". At the end of the speech he states that a man dies when he is forgotten. I wonder if something like Saturn being erased and forgotten by imu will happen. But I can't remember if imu has ever erased or wiped anything out from history before.
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u/Bluelore 1d ago
Man I am a bit conflicted about Saturns death. On the one hand I am really glad we got to saw Imu replace one of the 5 elders and it made sense that Saturn would be the one to be punished for this. On the other hand I really enjoyed Saturn as a villain this arc and he was the most interesting one of the 5 elders, so I'm a bit sad that no one else will get the chance anymore to beat the shit out of him (also any doppelganger shenanigans the BB pirates had planned will be more limited now).
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u/stormdressed 1d ago
It's hard to imagine an Elder other than Garling getting that kind of character work as Saturn did. There doesn't seem to be another Kuma floating around though I'm sure Oda will give them something
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u/Popopirat66 1d ago
I mean... he's the most interesting because he got the most panels and involvement in the story for now. That's subject to change.
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u/Silverlining126 1d ago
I wanted that fucker dead and the only regret I have is that Bartholomew Kuma was not the one to kill him.
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u/Alternative_Ask8636 1d ago
We also never saw him do science stuff. I was hoping we would get a rematch with him as a mecha spider. Dude did science shit for 200+ years and we didn’t see shit.
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u/Due_Culture1113 1d ago edited 1d ago
"Roaming clouds" 'cuz they are in roaming now... 🤭🤣 also what Imu did to Saturn kinda looks like what yami yami no mi could do
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u/VerdantFlare 1d ago
If we get a Marijoa arc, the food shortage would be a nice way to connect them to the Celestial Dragons who would join their cause. I like that the seeds of doubt were planted in Shalria, because Sanji would sense her distress and probably wouldn't let them starve, even if they're world nobles.
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u/Silverlining126 1d ago
Luffy: I'm hungry
Shalria (who's having a change of heart): you can have this scrap I guess
Luffy: you gave me your only food. Thank you, I'll get rid of the ones oppressing you
Cue it's always sunny theme Luffy Destroys the Revolutionary Army
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u/HenryZusa 1d ago
I guess those 9 (8?) vice-admirals will be the first ones to change sides as they realize they're working for actual monsters.
Also, did they hear Saturn yelling "Imu-sama" as his dying words?
As that would leave them wondering who the hell is one of the world leaders talking to with such respect on his final moments.
I wonder if Lucci actually killed Stussy or they let her escape but only said she died as a way to prevent the government to go after her.
I don't think the crew will be defeating one elder per arc from now on, so this is likely their final lineup. Who knows when was the last time they had one of them replaced, if ever at all. It also leaves us wondering if Garling knew of Imu's existence previously, or he only got to know when he was promoted.
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u/Exchange_Fresh 1d ago
I could definitely see Lucci lying, not because he's letting Stussy escape but mostly to protect himself. With crazy stuff happening in Egghead, Lucci would rather lie and protect himself than tell the truth.
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u/ItzLuzzyBaby 8m ago
Did we just glimpse a new power system outside of haki and devil fruits?