r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/CantStopPoppin ☑️ • 28d ago
Country Club Thread One had a toy gun and the other had a AR-15 rifle Tamir Rice should still be alive
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u/Area_724 28d ago
My boyfriend listens to NPR every morning. This morning, I overheard someone say something like, "Can we really call him a gunman if he was 14?" And my first thought was "I wish Tamir Rice had received that much grace."
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u/Mendozena 28d ago
I mean we can call him a gunkid. Doesn’t make it any better.
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u/adgonzalez9 28d ago
NPR has become trash as of a few years ago. Not all programming is trying the stupid centrist act but a lot do. It’s sad because I used to listen to NPR and affiliated programming for years.
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u/Tripwiring 28d ago
NPR is completely obsessed with supporting and defending conservatives. This morning they picked apart Harris's economic agenda like crazy, only to stop to briefly mention that Trump has not submitted any economic agenda at all.
Then they went back to complaining about Harris's plan and how bad it would be for the federal deficit.
It's maddening. There isn't a single conservative in America who listens to NPR so why do they pander to these fucking monsters?
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u/thundercockjk2 ☑️ 28d ago
Have they been recently bought up? This sounds like a break neck turn for that program. How are they even saying that When Goldman Sachs is saying the opposite?
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u/Temp186 28d ago
I believe during Trump’s presidency or Obama’s waning days: Funding to NPR and other public media was slashed. This required NPR to take on more corporate sponsorships and money. The result has been a continual watering-down of discourse to elevate conservative talking points to an “equal field”.
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u/PotPumper43 28d ago
Much funding taken up by… wait for it… The Koch brothers. Y’all acting surprised, this shit was well under way in ‘16.
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u/LocalInactivist 28d ago
Bought up? How would that happen, exactly? How would one buy NPR?
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u/MakkaCha 28d ago
I don't think NPR can be bought up, they are public broadcasting and technically owned by the government. I have never heard any NPR employee be anything but centrist but they do interview both sides of the aisle. There are some spokespeople that are liberal and can be seen with such views on their social media.
The "Someone" OP heard is probably a local they were questioning. I was in Dacula Ga(which is not far from Winder) last weekend and that place is rural AF. They will defend guns while getting shot with it.
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u/sirfiddlestix ☑️ 28d ago
Might be the same situation as CNN where they got bought out and the new owner 'likes how fox is run' or whatever
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u/LocalInactivist 28d ago
The “new owner”? Do you know what NPR is?
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u/sirfiddlestix ☑️ 28d ago edited 28d ago
Isn't it national public radio. Like a radio pbs. I just meant whoever was in charge changed and has questionable views. I worded (and probably still am wording) it *akwardly
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u/enaK66 28d ago edited 28d ago
It's a classic democrat move. Jimmy Carter was doing it in the 70's, trying to be more moderate and "bring people together" type shit. All that does is piss everybody off. Clinton did it in the 90's by continuing the Reagan's "tough on crime" stance. He also signed the NAFTA agreement that lead to thousands of jobs being outsourced. 9/11 happened and most of the democrats in the senate supported a war that their supporters were vehemently against. Obama did it after 2008. Run on hope and change, but then nothing changes, we kept drone striking kids in afghanistan, and he kept trying to "reach across the aisle" which led to the watered down healthcare bill. I know he was railroaded by the republicans, but there was a 4 month period of full democrat control of the house and senate. They could've at least gotten us some damn healthcare in those 4 months.
It started in the 70's with carter. Instead of Pro-Union Ted Kennedy we ran the centrist Carter for the 1980 election, Reagan sweeped it and the whole narrative changed over the next few years. Dems went even further towards the center and progressive rhetoric left the mainstream media.
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u/theaceplaya ☑️ 28d ago
It's an issue with news reporting as a whole. If NPR (or other news outlets that aren't blatantly partisan) were to report just straight facts, then it would looks really bad for conservatives. So to avoid looking like they have a 'liberal' bias, they have to nitpick. That's how we ended up with the meme of 'The GOP has done this really bad and unpopular thing, but here's how it's bad for Biden'.
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u/ThePlanesGuy 28d ago
It's maddening. There isn't a single conservative in America who listens to NPR so why do they pander to these fucking monsters?
Because liberals, too, will not listen to you if they think you are trashing conservatives. They're the only group that does this, demand you give conservatives the air of dignity.
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u/OldManBearPig 28d ago
This morning they picked apart Harris's economic agenda like crazy, only to stop to briefly mention that Trump has not submitted any economic agenda at all.
Maybe they're operating under the assumption that you already know Trump is a lunatic.
Is it not okay to question Harris's economic agenda?
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u/EyeSuspicious777 28d ago
I didn't consciously do it, but I stopped donating to my local NPR station shortly after Trump appeared on the scene. And now when I do happen to turn it on I end up turning it right back off.
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u/helel_8 28d ago
I used to subscribe to nyt, wapo, and donate to npr regularly -- and felt good about supporting good journalism. "Democracy dies in darkness" indeed
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u/ChaoticGoodSamaritan 28d ago
the stupid centrist act
I'm so tired of arguing with people who point out they "dislike both sides" then proceed to blatantly side with one
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u/TheDude-Esquire 28d ago
It can both be true that a 14 year old shooter is a child, and what happened to Rice was murder.
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u/blacksoxing 28d ago
OK, "gunteen".
The gunteen was 14 years old AND MURDERED FOUR OTHERS
This is one of the silliest things I've had to think about and I can only imagine how you and others must have felt hearing semantics over the use of a gendered word. It's the shit that trolls lavish over as if issuing a correction changes any of the heartbeats that stopped that day.
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u/Annual-Consequence43 28d ago
I'll bet the media's biggest regret in this is that they couldn't find a picture of the boy looking like a thug.
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u/gunt_lint 28d ago
And we know specifically which boy you’re talking about and which you most definitely are not talking about
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u/shinobi441 28d ago
I’m glad I’m first; before you say it:
These posts are to highlight that police are more than capable of using non-lethal force EVEN WHEN presented with lethal force against them.
This highlights that black children are usually not seen as children, but rather “capable adults” and they do not get the benefit of innocence.
IT IS NOT TO SAY THEY SHOULDA SHOT THE LIL WHITE BOY DEAD. THATS NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
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u/Huphupjitterbug 28d ago
Appreciate you posting this. I'm not CC so this will be removed but hopefully others see it too!!
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u/WrongConcentrate4962 28d ago
Why will it be removed?
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u/Huphupjitterbug 28d ago
Oh I'm with stupid....It's me I'm stupid.
I thought the check at the top was for country club threads. Guess that's for the poster.
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u/CollectionStriking 28d ago
Pretty sure they're just checking off that they can't stop pooping, might be looking for some extra TP
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u/CharacterHomework975 28d ago edited 28d ago
Yeah, if I recall did the officer who shot Tamir call it in as him being “late teens?” It’s been forever, and no desire to go digging on that again. So infuriating.
One thing I’ll say though: I looked at it at the time, and in the ten years prior like half the kids shot by cops holding toy guns, paintball guns, etc. were white. Even kids as young as Rice. I’ve seen videos of a cop rolling up on a white kid and shooting them just as fast.
But of course they were still disproportionately black.
We have both a police violence problem and a racial injustice problem. Where they intersect it’s extra awful. But police are happy to unnecessarily rough up and kill white people too, they do it every single day. ACAB really ain’t a racial thing. White people that don’t get it just haven’t experienced yet. I’m white. Been drawn on by a cop for no good fucking reason.
I have to assume the only reason these shooters always get taken alive is because of how the interaction plays out; theres a standoff of some kind, then they give themselves up. Cops have time to not react like stupid animals.
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u/EntertheHellscape 28d ago
It does feel disproportionate that school shooters are usually captured (if they don’t kill themselves), over police altercations for domestic calls and I think you nailed it. For school shootings they’re forced to slow down, whether it’s protocol or whatever the fuck cowardice Uvalde was, while domestic calls like Tamir or earlier this year with Sonya Massey, it’s an instant reaction and a cops ‘instant reaction’ seems to overwhelming be lethal shots.
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u/InspectorPipes 28d ago
to tag on what you said.. I want to remind everyone that 380 + officers responded to uvalde and waited 77 minutes in the parking lot . That doesn’t include response time. 77 minutes thumb in ass
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u/MurderyRainbow 28d ago
I hope all 380+ of them are haunted by the ghosts of the children they didn't lift a finger to save. They deserve to have their faces shat on while they sleep, and the stench of it fill their head until they choke on it. Then a sleepless night as they search their home high and low for the source of the foul and mysterious odor, only to never find it since it doesn't physically exist. They deserve this every night for the rest of their lives. No sleep, no rest, no peace, no happiness.
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u/AnPaniCake 28d ago
Haunted by dead children? No. Feel threatened by angry and grieving families who watched them do nothing while their kids were being murdered? Yes.
Those people need to be controlled, arrested, and harassed by the state sanctioned gang whose feefees got hurt because someone said mean things to them about not taking action against the shooter who was killing kids. To make up for the cops hurt booboo feelings they'll increase taxes and funnel it directly into the police union.
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u/Softestwebsiteintown 28d ago
This is simply not true. They weren’t all in the parking lot. Plenty of them were in adjacent rooms and hallways listening to the gunshots and waiting for the shooter to get tired or bored or whatever. Some of them were applying hand sanitizer rather than do something about all the death and suffering going on around them. Some of them were busy arresting parents who had the nerve to get angry over the complete lack of action being taken.
You make it sound like there were a bunch of cowards in a parking lot tailgating like they were about to watch their local 3-8 team play a non-rival 2-9 team. In reality, there were a bunch of cowards doing worse than nothing, making it harder for anyone to try to help the people who had never been and will never be in more dire need of help.
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u/Shaolinchipmonk 28d ago
They took their protocol from Columbine. Although the police who responded to Columbine get a little benefit of the doubt considering that was the first time something like that happened on that scale.
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u/TaticalSweater ☑️ 28d ago
To the point as soon as i heard about the shooting i went let me guess they’ll capture him
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u/RabbitF00d 28d ago
Remember they took one piece of excrement (I refuse to name him) to Burger King after he had murdered people? B U R G E R K I N G.
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u/PRK543 28d ago
They did not take him to burger King, but they did purchase a hamburger for him while he was at the police station pending the arrival of the FBI and SC authorities to take him into their custody. If that is what it takes to keep a mass murders (or anyone's) lawyer from arguing that he was forced to confess because he was withheld food or mistreated, I am fine with it.
I live not far from Shelby, NC and if I remember correctly, they would not have been able to process him into the county jail to feed him there before lunch service stopped or before the FBI arrived to take him into custody.
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u/PressureSquare4242 ☑️ 28d ago
And fake tears strolled by police gun in hand and wasn't stopped. Meanwhile, in Walmart a black guy talking on phone and holding a bb gun is almost immediately shot and killed.
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u/KageStar ☑️ 28d ago
after he had murdered people
Shot up a black that he previously visited and mentioned they were very nice to him.
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u/__M-E-O-W__ 28d ago
IIRC the cop that shot Tamir Rice has already been removed from one county or city's police force because he was found mentally unfit for the job. And I guess he just applied for a different precinct and they didn't do a background check?
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u/DYMck07 ☑️ 28d ago
It gets worse. He was hired to yet another since.
We constantly have police unions defending these bad actors (including the likes of Derek Chauvin), helping them get rehired no matter how egregious their actions.
I don’t know if it’s possible to transform the Force so it’s no longer the discriminatory archaic organization it’s mostly been for hundreds of years now (given its origin in this country), but it certainly needs to be cleaned up and some sort of database built to prevent these folks from being rehired, who shouldn’t be allowed to have a gun, much less a badge allowing them to use lethal force.
Perhaps technology, robotics and non-lethal solutions can help in the future. Until the majority receive the same treatment as minorities for the same offenses, they are less inclined to do anything to change the system though.
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u/-Nuke-It-From-Orbit- 28d ago
I can tell you they’ll tell the public that the officer was “let go” but the thing is they rehire them as civilians and give them a desk job.
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u/cyberkine 28d ago
Why aren't these "professionals" licensed? If the unions won't police themselves, license them and let them buy individual insurance coverage. Think of it as LEO malpractice insurance.
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u/az137445 ☑️ 28d ago
Three words: Defund The Police
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u/DYMck07 ☑️ 28d ago edited 28d ago
FD Signifier had a video I watched recently on just that. I thought it was deeply enlightening, particularly this part. It’s not nearly as outrageous as it sounds as that article you linked points out. I just wish the phrase were less alarming to the majority, as I fear it sets itself up for failure, a la “burn baby burn” from the 60’s even if the idea itself makes sense when explained.
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u/AccurateCrew428 28d ago
It's almost like racists become cops so they can kill people they hate without any penalties.
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u/barejokez 28d ago
Regarding the last paragraph, I wonder if cops are more trigger happy when instinct tells them there's no/less danger? Once you know the shooter has already shot and killed half a dozen people, maybe they aren't so keen to go in guns blazing?
Kid in the park, no evidence of actual shots fired, cops feel more like they can take a risk - if you can see and shoot someone, chances are they can do the same after all...
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u/sace682000 28d ago
In Dallas there was a stand off a few years back and the police used a robot to go in and blow the guy up with a bomb.
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u/CantStopPoppin ☑️ 28d ago
It is a stark tale of two justice systems. One designed to subjegate, terrorlize and marganlize the other to understand, show empathy and rehablitate. We are told that society has come so far but when you look at the list of black men, women and the poor it is abundently clear that not much has changed and its business as usual.
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u/tech_whiz 28d ago
I agree.
Yeah, they shoot white kids too, but not nearly in the proportions that reflect the general population.
When it's a white kid he/she must be misunderstood.
When it's a Black person; they immediately go to character assassination to justify whatever they did.
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u/az137445 ☑️ 28d ago
Facts. Even though police brutality happens across the board, we (along with Native Americans) are killed at a higher disproportionate rate.
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u/CantStopPoppin ☑️ 28d ago
Thank you for bring up the plight of native americans in many areas in the country they are seen as diposable people and it is gut wrenching.
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u/Call_Me_Rambo 28d ago
I appreciate you saying this. It’s already been said how yesterday could’ve been an avoidable tragedy but like you’re saying, we should also highlight how the cops did what we expect of them here. Didn’t twiddle their thumbs like in Uvalde, but also didn’t shoot first, ask questions later on a child.
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u/Texan2020katza 28d ago
The issue is the little black boy did not get the benefit of innocence but the little white boy with a rifle and 2 dead classmates plus 2 dead teachers at his feet DID get the benefit of presumed innocence.
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u/shinobi441 28d ago
Yup that’s what I’m saying. And don’t forget the pile of 30 wounded, bleeding out classmates all over him.
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u/Softestwebsiteintown 28d ago
It’s not a “presumed innocence” thing. It’s a “police shouldn’t be executing people” thing.
Obviously there are scenarios where police are needed to neutralize an imminent threat to life, but we see far too many situations where police escalate to lethal tactics when that’s not what’s called for. And those excessive tactics are often not punished in any meaningful way, reinforcing the antisocial policy of excessive tactics as the default response in those situations.
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u/FrostyJannaStorm 28d ago
Yeah no one is asking for the death of a person. We're asking to keep a person alive.
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u/supluplup12 28d ago
It would be so cool to live in a society where the words "Tamir Rice should be alive" would have made this clear enough it doesn't need to be said again.
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u/Chessikins 28d ago
Absolute insanity that anyone could see this and think; they want that kid dead instead of the other kid shouldn't have died.
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u/TaticalSweater ☑️ 28d ago
Yea, after a shooting like this happens these posts quickly come out and people actually think people are advocating to kill the other side.
People just want situations to be deescalated correctly. They can hop out and kill Tamir in a matter of seconds but others find time to get talk a shooter down and even take time to get some burger king.
But often your biggest offense as a minority is being brown with a gun. Their threat radar is high for us but low for whites.
gif related….because of obvious reasons
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u/GodLeeTrick 28d ago
Plus, having the shooters alive gives us a chance to study them/learn what went wrong and why they did it. Or learn what mental disorders they suffer from and try to plan appropriately for it in the future. Thats if they cooperate of course
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u/SheepSoliciter 28d ago
One things for sure - It’s definitely not America’s pro gun culture normalizing and enabling firearm access to angsty teens who otherwise would not have had the means to murder classmates!
Edit: Thoughts and prayers for everyone affected by this
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u/Bimbartist 28d ago
Not even capable adults.
Black children are straight up seen by police as inclined to criminality. You might not have realized but it’s same way they treat innocent dogs, too.
It’s a combo of legitimate belief that all black people are more prone to violence, that it’s “built in” and black children come prepackaged with it, AND the psychological phenomena of police using these as excuses (NOT justifications; they know what they’re fucking doing) to out-group and animalize black people and children, so they may feel good and righteous about themselves when they kill, torture, ruin the lives of, over police, and protect the poverty to prison pipelines in their towns and cities.
ACAB. I haven’t met an officer yet who didn’t have at least one preconceived, racist notion about black people or the explanations for things police should know about like crime disparities. These notions affect their policing and the way they treat communities affected by the problems they hold racist explanations about.
ACAB. If you’re a good cop and not racist then you won’t fix the ones who are and you won’t fix the system that is. Go maybe get some actual justice done, and become a civil rights advocate. Become a social worker that responds to emergencies. Become an EMT. Become an early childhood educator for traumatized children and fix them before they break for good and do something horrible. Anything but policing. Go do one of the jobs that makes it so the cops have to get called less.
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u/East-Bluejay6891 ☑️ 28d ago
Shot within 6 seconds of their arrival on the scene
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u/Davethisisntcool ☑️ 28d ago
the cop basically shot him when he was inside the car
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u/Raekwaanza ☑️ 28d ago
Was it even 6 seconds?
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u/SHIBE_COLLECTIVE 28d ago
Pretty sure it was like two seconds before they gunned him down and murdered him.
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u/bitofadikdik 28d ago
The piece of shit riding passenger had his door open and was either opening fire or drawing his gun to open fire before the car had even come to a complete stop.
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u/BulbusDumbledork 28d ago
tamir was a GANGSTER selling DRUGS so he could buy DRUGS and GUNS to KILL cops because he had WARRANTS for his many FELONIES
colt is a KIND SOUL who was BULLIED and had MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS and just needs a SECOND CHANCE to live up to his POTENTIAL because he has a PROMISING FUTURE
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u/Brilliant-Mountain57 28d ago
This!!!1!! + In a school shooting, you never know if the kid inside is a troubled teen whose just in need of help. Versus a rough gangbanger outside of his home so he can protect his "block" from his "Ops" (short for enemy operatives)
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u/MurderyRainbow 28d ago
Every time a white person decides to shoot shit up, the picture that circulates social media is always of some angelic-looking kid. Let's see his mugshot. He doesn't deserve to have a pic of himself smiling beside a smiling pic of Tamir.
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u/odaxsaku 28d ago
wholeheartedly agree. it’s sickening language changes as well. “he’s just a kid” Tamir was not given that same level of respect or dignity. fuck this system
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u/MurderyRainbow 28d ago
Exactly. Tamir was a baby playing with a toy. The lack of empathy and respect towards him is as terrible as him being murdered in the first place.
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u/InvalidEntrance 28d ago
Which is a crazy excuse as well. When I was 14 I knew right and wrong, I did landscaping and worked at the park, I went on dates. This was in the late-late 2000's...
I wasn't an adult, but 14 year olds aren't innocent little toddlers who don't know anything or any better.
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u/odaxsaku 28d ago
EXACTLY. i was the same age as this kid going to a high school in georgia. (2017-2018) at 14 i knew right from wrong. i never did anything like this.
at 14 i was having talks about how to avoid looking “less hispanic” to avoid discrimination. i deadass have photos from during covid era, when my high school put non BIPOC who did online learning in the fucking auditorium to do our tests instead of a classroom. for clarification for this portion: i’m white hispanic.
shit is FUCKED down here.
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u/NoWorkingDaw 28d ago
Adultification of black children. It’s why they tend to be the mostlikely victims of violence and narratives like this in the USA and the most at risk/vulnerable to predators/human trafficking (other non-white minority children included as well) they never get the same grace that white children do.
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u/Annual-Consequence43 28d ago
"No way to prevent this" says the only nation in the world where this happens regularly
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u/AlfalfaReal5075 28d ago
"Here are a myriad of potential courses of action to feasibly work towards preventing this."
"Yeah but, I mean there are so many words and numbers here. How about I give it the ol' looksie after the NRA Fundraiser? It's about two and a half hours back in the Jet, ample time for decisions."
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u/Soulus7887 28d ago
Don't forget the good ol' "if it doesn't immediately fix every problem surrounding guns we can't possibly implement it."
We only deal in whole measures in this country, anything resembling progress is to be shunned and laughed at until it can be implemented in full all at once.
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u/SdBolts4 28d ago
Governor Kemp literally said, without a hint of sarcasm/irony, that now is not the time to discuss policy, we need thoughts and prayers for the victims. Unreal.
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u/AdPutrid7706 28d ago
I knew it was a white kid as soon as they began talking about the shooter. Didn’t have to see him, they use different language when it’s one of them. Like clockwork.
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u/Killer-Jukebox-Hero 28d ago
I heard a tail-end of a clip about it on the radio and they said something like "he's cooperating with officials " I knew then that he was white
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u/Gnd_flpd 28d ago
Well, since they didn't take him down immediately, I suspected as much.
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u/UpperLeftOriginal 28d ago
As soon as I heard he was arrested, I knew he was white.
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u/ElGato-TheCat 28d ago
Media, during hurricane Katrina:
White people: "Finding food"
Black people: "LOOTING"
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u/Gnd_flpd 28d ago
Yeah, about Katrina, I have a totally bad memory of how they started shooting at the people that were trying to cross the bridge to safety.
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u/Broad-Link-4442 28d ago
Elaborate?
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u/Fladap28 28d ago
Black = no grace
White = “now hold on, give a little grace to the kid”
Fucking abysmal
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u/ElGato-TheCat 28d ago
Media, during hurricane Katrina:
White people: "Finding food"
Black people: "LOOTING"
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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor ☑️ 28d ago
There won’t be many think pieces about social problems in the white community that lead to school shootings.
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u/Itsme_Tyrone 28d ago
“The blacker the berry the sweeter the juice
The blacker the killer the sweeter the news
And if he’s white you give him a chance, he’s probably ill or confused”
—YouTube comment I saw back in 2020≈
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u/AshNeicole 28d ago
Did you guys see the governor’s response to a reporter asking how we can tighten gun access to prevent this? I was appalled.
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u/LouisRitter 28d ago
Today my gf asked if that's who I quoted yesterday when I said that and I was like nope, I just knew exactly what one of these conservative figures would say. I said the exact same thing verbatim hours before because it's in their playbook they've been using for decades.
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u/KageStar ☑️ 28d ago
Does your GF live under a rock or in a bubble? Like you said conservatives say this shit every time.
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u/Caleb_Reynolds 28d ago
At least mention what he said, or link to it.
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u/Carnol 28d ago
This is what he said.
Governor: This is not the day to talk about safety or policy. We need thoughts and prayers for the victims, law before, and educators.
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u/PuddingJello 28d ago
Damn funny way to learn that the shooter was some lil kid. What drives a 14 year old to mass murder, like goddamn. At 14 all I cared about was World of Warcraft, smoking weed, and jacking off. Fuck.. and RIP Tamir Rice that was a tragedy and I wish his murderer all the worst in life.
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u/thefourthhouse 28d ago
He was interviewed by police a year prior over shooting threats he made online. More incompetent police means more dead innocent children.
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u/PuddingJello 28d ago
Bruh I swear "he was interviewed by [some branch of law enforcement] prior to the shooting but nothing happened" is part of every mass shooters story. Police and them ain't useful for shit. They can't prevent this shit and they can barely take care of shit after it happens.
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u/thefourthhouse 28d ago edited 28d ago
There can't be any leniency over threats made online. Too frequently these school shooters make threats online and jack shit is done about it. "Oh he's just troubled, he's not usually like this, not my boy" shit is fucking tired.
But it's too easy to look the other way, wait for more kids to die and be like "nothing could have prevented this" than to put forth the effort on preventative measures. It's not like the fat fuck pigs rarely face repercussions. Paid leave, transfer to another department and you're set. It's a win win for them either way.
And charge the fucking parents too. Your son not only made threats online, but had access to a gun? You're fucking incompetent and the children's blood is on your hands too. Maybe parents will look after their shitty little children better knowing their children's crimes are their own crimes.
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u/uglybongcough 28d ago
I completely agree. Isn't it more on the parents though?
Realistically what do the police do for a 14 yr old who makes a shooting comment online? Follow up, then what? I guess continue to do so? That's not going to stop anyone from doing anything.
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u/No-Business3541 28d ago
I saw in UK sub some days ago that teenagers were suspected for the death of a man in a park :
After inquiries, detectives arrested five children – a boy and two girls, all 12 years old; and a boy and girl, both 14. Police later said the 14-year-old boy remained in custody but the other four had been released with no further action.
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u/NoWorkingDaw 28d ago
How the fuck does a kid this young get his hands on shit like that? Not only that but I thought all American schools had metal detectors or something at this point? How TF did he manage to get in with that? I can’t wrap my head around it. Another tragedy and previous lives lost. And of course he’s given the most grace in the world by these people cause he’s a white.
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u/PuddingJello 28d ago
I haven't checked the details but I assume it's the same old story. Parents didn't keep their shit locked away or hidden, and so the kid had easy access to take it and do what he did.
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u/BigBishopU 28d ago
I agree ,but his mom asked we not do this every time a white boy does a mass shooting.
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u/DGVega93 28d ago
Let’s not forget Dylan Roof. Taken to Burger King after shooting up an AME church. That was egregious
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u/Caedus_Vao 28d ago
Some fast food or a cigarette goes a long way toward coaxing out a confession. There are legions of interrogation videos that prove this.
Let him enjoy his last Whopper with cheese if it speeds up him admitting to the deed on camera. It's not like he's getting another one.
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u/Brilliant-Mountain57 28d ago
Let's not even pretend that if a black man went ahead and shot up a majority white church that the cops would be serving him anything less than a boot to the throat. No-one said that the tactic didn't have precedence, just that they definitely go about things differently depending on the races. I'd love to see a video of a black person who just shot up a bunch of whites asking the cops for some McDonalds. That would be hilarious.
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u/swishandswallow 28d ago
Also with Tamir Rice, the cop literally says 10 seconds before shooting him "I don't know if the gun is real or not". As a father, I don't know how I'd be alive after that. The hate would consume me. Like Brother Malcolm said "When a snake bites your child, you don't go looking for the snake with blood on it's fangs, any snake will do"
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u/13June04 28d ago
Lots of these cases have gotten lots of attention but the Tamir Rice one just sort of fizzled. I’ve never understood why. It was one of the most egregious I’ve ever seen. They barreled themselves directly into what…I suppose…they determined to be a dangerous situation, it literally looked like they were gonna drive into the pavilion where Tamir was sitting, and then drug store Johnny Rambo bails out of a moving vehicle to shoot this kid in less than 2 seconds. No tactical positioning, no situational assessment, hell, no active shooter. Just straight murder, negligent murder at the very best.
Even if Tamir was a real live active shooter, which even the 911 caller explicitly told them he was not, that they didn’t even think it was a real gun, no tactical training agency worth their salt would have taught this approach.
Tamir Rice was strait up merced by those officers and it should have been a national outrage. No one, literally no one, can defend that video from any angle.
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u/_Jacuuz_ 28d ago
If we want better guns laws, we need to start buying guns in droves. Can you imagine how quickly laws would be passed if POCs started to buy guns in massive waves?
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u/CantStopPoppin ☑️ 28d ago
This already happened.
The Black Panther Party’s armed patrols had a significant impact on gun laws, particularly in California. Here are some key effects:
- Mulford Act (1967): The most direct impact was the passage of the Mulford Act, which banned the open carry of loaded firearms in public places in California. This law was a response to the Black Panthers’ practice of openly carrying weapons while patrolling neighborhoods to monitor police activity.
- Increased Gun Control Awareness: The visibility of the Black Panthers’ armed patrols brought national attention to the issue of gun control. Their actions highlighted the potential for armed groups to influence public safety and law enforcement, prompting broader discussions on gun regulation.
- Influence on National Legislation: The events in California influenced the national conversation on gun control, contributing to the passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968. This federal law introduced new restrictions on firearm sales and ownership, including prohibiting interstate firearm transfers except among licensed manufacturers, dealers, and importers.
- Racial and Political Dynamics: The Black Panthers’ armed patrols underscored the racial and political tensions of the era. The response to their actions often reflected broader societal fears and biases, leading to stricter gun control measures aimed at disarming African American activists.
These patrols not only changed specific laws but also shaped the broader discourse on gun rights and regulation in the United States.
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u/Kaminoneko ☑️ 28d ago
I think about this a lot. Also about how we don’t have universal healthcare because of racism…
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u/gamesandstuff69420 28d ago
“Let me tell you how Huey P. Newton, the leader, the organizer, the founder, the main man of the Black Panther Party, went about it.
The community had a problem out there in California. There was an intersection, a four-way intersection; a lot of people were getting killed—cars running over them, and so the people went down and redressed their grievances to the government. You’ve done it before. I know you people in the community have. And they came back and the pigs said “No! You can’t have any….” Oh, they don’t usually say you can’t have it; they’ve gotten a little hipper than that now. That’s what those degrees on the thermometer will get you. They tell you “Okay, we’ll deal with it; why don’t you come back next meeting and waste some time?”
And they get you wound up in an excursion of futility, and you be in a cycle of insaneness, and you be goin’ back and goin’ back, and goin’ back, and goin’ back so many times that you’re already crazy.
So they tell you, they say, “Okay ***, what you want?” And they you jump up and you say, “Well, it’s been so long, we don’t know what we want”, and then you walk out of the meeting and you’re gone and they say, “Well, you *** had your chance, didn’t you?”
Let me tell you what Huey P. Newton did. Huey Newton went and got Bobby Seale, the chairman of the Black Panther Party on a national level. Bobby Seale got his 9mm—that’s a pistol. Huey P. Newton got his shotgun and got some stop signs and got a hammer. Went down to the intersection, gave his shotgun to Bobby, and Bobby had his 9mm. He said, “You hold this shotgun; anybody mess with us, blow their brains out.” He put those stop signs up. There were no more accidents, no more problem.”
Fred Hampton - https://www.marxists.org/archive/hampton/1969/misc/power-anywhere-where-theres-people.htm
Emphasis my own.
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u/morgaina 28d ago
I remember being a teacher and getting really sick at the way some of my colleagues talked about our black students. They would assign so much malice and intentionality to their behavior, completely forgetting that they are still children and that the basic principles of childcare and education apply to them too. The adultification of black children is disgusting.
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u/PandorasFlame1 28d ago
Eliminating qualified immunity is a good first step towards ending the corruption, then we need to end the fake police union. Police should have never had a union to begin with. Once we remove their shields and armor, we can start to address how they weaponize their hate and incompetence.
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u/transitapparel 28d ago
I'm in Rochester and we have a faux union/lobby group called The Locust Club. They named themselves after the wood species used for their Billy clubs (real adorable). Their current czar is a really divisive arrogant jerk who has rallied against every sniff of oversight or regulation.
After the tragic death of Daniel Prude, and our community voted to establish a Police Accountability Board, it died on the vine from the "union" lobbying so hard against it (among other issues like a corrupt mayor). Now the RPD bemoans how hard their jobs are without any meaningful acts of community outreach or PR campaigns to regain (or initially gain) the trust of the community.
It feels like only time and older generations dying off will fix this broken institutions, but then again, are they inherently broken to begin with?
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u/SqueaksScreech 28d ago
They always use a school photo for them fucking white boys never their current photos. I want them mug shots. Let's pull up his criminal records, his school records, and social media the same shit they do to black children. Hell pull up the parent's records too.
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u/mylittlewedding 28d ago
You’re a MAN(black)and able to be shoot at 7 & have it justified…even if you were a child just playing in a park.
You’re a CHILD(white) when you are 14 and bring a AR-15 and go on a rampage to assassinate the innocent.
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u/sickmantz 28d ago
When police actually fear for their lives, they're much more measured and cautious (see also Uvalde).
It's when they go on a power trip that innocent people end up dead.
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u/OhPxpi ☑️will name his son "Jiraiya" 🐸 28d ago
How do you know the gunman was white?
He’s alive.
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u/Acceptable-Emu6529 28d ago
I hope they go after the parents.
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u/MultiRachel 28d ago
I hope the Michigan school schooling.verdict will set a precedent.
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u/SqueaksScreech 28d ago
I be suing them to hell and back
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u/Acceptable-Emu6529 28d ago
Fucking A! But you know some degenerate would start a go fund me for them because of the 2A and all that bs. I’d rather them be held criminally responsible.
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u/NOSjoker21 ☑️ 28d ago
Side note: what caused a 14 y/o to do this less than a month into the school year?
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u/omojos ☑️ 28d ago
Also note the little fuck was named after a gun.
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u/hopeful_tatertot 28d ago
I assumed it was after a horse 🐎
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u/omojos ☑️ 28d ago
Based on the amount of guns the family owned, and the amount of horses they did not, I’m going to assume it was after the gun.
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u/-BetchPLZ 28d ago
I used to babysit for a white family from Utah. Two twin boys. One named Smith and the other Westin (I guess they realized Wesson would be a silly first name?). Yeah they owned a tun of guns and used to brag about their naming choice, so I wouldn’t be surprised.
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u/flippingsenton ☑️ 28d ago
Bothers me that he stopped as soon as the school resource officer drew down on him.
14 year old fucking idiot kid. No aim other "than I want to kill people." Zero comprehension of consequences. Which were death or capture. Too chickenshit to die, too stupid to commit murder.
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u/WabbitCZEN 28d ago
I still remember the video of Tamir Rice being killed. Cops were reporting to an alleged man waving a gun around. They pulled up believing they could be approaching an armed person. Did they leave themselves room for safety? No, they pulled right up to him. Did they approach this alleged armed individual cautiously? No, they hopped right out of the car as soon as they could. Did they give verbal warnings to this allegedly dangerous person? No, they shot him within seconds of exiting their vehicle.
Everything these cops did left no room for Tamir Rice to end up anything but another victim of police brutality. I'm not even black and to this fucking day, it pisses me off knowing nothing is being done to stem the deaths of minorities at the hands of police.
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u/No-Chocolate-1225 28d ago
Police have only a few seconds to determine whether a suspect is black or white.
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It was not a “toy gun”. It was an air pistol that looked very much like a firearm.
Do I think the police handled the situation correctly? No, but y’all need to stop pushing a false narrative
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u/JewishPalestinian 28d ago
That's the typical bullshit for reddit. They always try to spin something in a way it's not.
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u/IamAMERICANFIRST ☑️ 28d ago
Well they’re holding out for his future. Of course now he’s a murderer, but….. you know. His future.
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u/wolfedog2 28d ago
As a white person of Cleveland, I will never stop mourning for Tamir. Cle cops are racist
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u/Sharp_Artichoke8445 28d ago
My neighbor had a airsoft pistol stole out of his garage and a kid was playing with it the cops took it and returned it to the guy
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u/Pepperoni_Dogfart 28d ago
I'm disappointed by how much I don't pay attention to school shootings any more. Sandyhook broke a part of me that isn't coming back.
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u/KidKnow1 28d ago
The murder of Tamir Rice has stuck with me and affected me profoundly. I still think about him often. The cop didn’t even give him a chance.
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u/tonguejack-a-shitbox 28d ago
Go watch the Tamir Rice video and tell me honestly when he points that toy gun at people, and then the police, that you can tell it was a toy gun.
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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids ☑️ 28d ago
Every time I think about Tamir I think about how Black kids in my gen was able to play with toy guns. Hell we had cap guns. I had a silver and black cap rifle. No one thought we were a danger.
Tamir should still be here.
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u/defjamblaster ☑️ 28d ago
white man's advocate - did the white shooter lay his gun down and come out with hands up? /s
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u/SmartWonderWoman ☑️ 27d ago
RIP Tamir Rice. Gone but never forgotten. May all those who love you find peace and comfort.
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u/343GuiltyySpark 28d ago
You guys gonna post this every time a white shooter gets taken into custody? Insane false equivalency and such a bad faith argument, the situation could be flipped over and over again
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u/PrometheusMMIV 28d ago
Was Colt still posing an active threat, or had he surrendered by that point? The police don't normally kill someone when they turn themselves in, even if they've already murdered people prior to that.
What happened to Tamir was tragic, but in his case the cop had reason to think he had a gun in his hand (a realistic airsoft gun, without the orange tip that would indicate it wasn't real).
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u/bigbossfearless 28d ago
I agreed that Tamir's death was an atrocity and that justice should be sought for him. But each of these cases represents a situation with a functionally unlimited number of variables. To try and claim it was purely a matter of race is just a poor application of the scientific method at best.
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u/omaralt 28d ago
this doesn't make any sense. if colt gray peacefuly surrendered then there is no reason to shoot him, not sure if this is post is saying the cops should've killed him?
if tamir rice pointed a gun at the police then it makes sense that they shot back. i saw a pic of the gun that he was holding; it looks identical to a real gun. so not sure what the point of this post was?
here is a clip of him walking around waving the gun (no orange tip btw that is found on most toy guns). once again, blame everybody except those who should be blamed (him and his parents)
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u/Fmello 28d ago edited 28d ago
If I remember correctly, the "toy" gun looked just like a real gun which he stupidly pointed at the cops that shot him. Also, according to crime statistics in 2019, 30 people with toy guns were killed by cops. Of those 30 that were killed:
16 were white
6 were black
4 were hispanic
4 were unknown
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u/TaVar35 28d ago
Man. I remember how badly that video of Tamir shook me.
I’m from Cleveland, recognized the area and all. And those fucks just rolled up on him and murdered him point blank
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u/divintydragon 28d ago
He(white kid) can redeemed in the eyes of America. If you black you are born evil and dangerous that’s how we are seen always. Nothing will change for a long time I can’t wait to leave this earth. I’d trade me soul with one of those deaths and let them come back cause I hate humanity
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u/CantStopPoppin ☑️ 28d ago
If they can secure mass shooters with AR-15 platforms then they can secure children with repical firearms without killing them.
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