r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/Cleonce12 ☑️ • Sep 03 '24
Country Club Thread Not to mention it’s being hogged by the rich and famous
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u/aalalaland Sep 03 '24
whispers The active ingredient in Ozempic (semaglutide) is also the active ingredient in Wegovy - which is indeed for obesity.
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u/DARYLdixonFOOL Sep 03 '24
Came here to say the same. (That the FDA has approved GLP-1s for treating obesity and binge eating disorder)
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy Sep 03 '24
Also, Viagra was originally used to treat hypertension. Later, it was discovered it could help with erectile dysfunction.
Sometimes drugs can be found to have multiple uses. Nothing wrong with a diabetes drug to also help with obesity
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u/hazeldazeI Sep 03 '24
They’re also conducting clinical trials on using it for helping alcoholics stop drinking.
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u/triari Sep 03 '24
It certainly helped me! I didn’t stop entirely but went from a 6-pack of craft beer a night to 3-6 a week. I went 2 weeks without any alcohol a few weeks back to see if it would be a big deal and it wasn’t. Killed my cravings at least enough that I wasn’t willing to go out and buy booze.
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u/blackgenz2002kid Sep 03 '24
that’s actually really interesting. you think it was just that it killed your desire for alcohol or something else
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u/triari Sep 03 '24
I think it just made whatever part of my brain that sits and angsts about food and booze to “turn off” or like it’s like my addiction was someone screaming, but now they’re in a padded almost completely soundproof room instead of screaming in my ear.
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u/SquareVehicle Sep 03 '24
Within about 3 hours of my first shot it eliminated any desire for alcohol. It was wiiiild. I can now barely finish a glass of wine before I get bored with it. Needless to say it's been a completely life changing medication.
It's not that dramatic for everyone but it's fairly common. There's also been early studies that it can also help with smoking, shopping, gambling and even opiod cravings. We're really just scratching the surface on this miracle drug.
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u/Affectionate_You_203 Sep 03 '24
And cardiovascular disease and its passing clinical trials for putting addicts in remission for almost all drugs and alcohol as well as showing promise for prevention of Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. This drug is like the discovery of penicillin.
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u/abadstrategy Sep 03 '24
It's also showing interesting effects on cardiovascular health. They're thinking it could be a major thing that could use to help folks recover from our even prevent heart attack and stroke in the future
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u/idkwhattosay Sep 03 '24
It seems to have across the board anti-inflammatory effects - saw some preliminary information it can help psoriasis/psoriatic arthritis and improve liver/kidney function.
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u/NoLongerGuest Sep 03 '24
Kinda seems like a wonder drug, can't wait to find out it has some weird ass side effect (turns your hair into steak knives or some other dumb shit)
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u/idkwhattosay Sep 03 '24
It can stress your pancreas and other organs for some people, it’s why doctors want you to take it slow.
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u/I_ate_a_milkshake Sep 03 '24
yeah my dad developed pancreatitis from taking trulicity (a different GLP-1). it is not without risk.
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u/f-ingsteveglansberg Sep 03 '24
I feel like a lot of drugs have a trade off.
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u/idkwhattosay Sep 03 '24
Yes but also the hormonal systems are super complex and we don’t understand them all yet.
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u/hoopaholik91 Sep 03 '24
It's been prescribed for diabetics for 20 years now (plus the trials before FDA approval). I wouldn't worry too much. Especially compared to the side effects of being obese
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u/bakstruy25 Sep 03 '24
The other aspect of it being a 'wonder drug' is that its already been used among diabetics for over a decade, so we have extensive research on its side effects from them. And by and large, the safety profile is amazing. Only around 1% experience serious symptoms, and the large majority are reversible.
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u/BridleBear Sep 03 '24
There’s a growing issue with panic reactions that’s interesting to read about. They definitely don’t know (or at least acknowledge) everything about the drug yet.
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u/hoopaholik91 Sep 03 '24
Research came out this week that people were 33% less likely to die of COVID while on semaglutides - and the effect was immediate, even before they started losing weight. Amazing what just being not as inflamed can do.
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u/idkwhattosay Sep 03 '24
I imagine in 20 years we’ll have some isolated oral version that’s as available as a multivitamin that generally decreases inflammation in the body, same idea as a lot of people taking a Claritin daily because it’s fairly common to have a level of allergy that you don’t really notice.
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u/jjcoola Sep 03 '24
And for alcoholism
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u/droans Sep 03 '24
They actually don't know why it works as a suppressant for addictions.
It's believed that it interferes with dopamine signaling but they still don't understand why and believe that other mechanisms are at play, too.
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u/DungeonsAndDradis Sep 03 '24
I wonder if it has any effect on ADHD, since that's a dopamine-related issue.
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u/VercingerYT Sep 03 '24
I take Ozempic for diabetes, and it has very much affected my impuls control. I don't get same effect of quietness in my head, as when I take ADHD meds tho.
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u/ihavecameraquestions Sep 03 '24
I went from 5 beers a night to… zero. I stopped drinking entirely after semaglutide.
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u/ladyspeak Sep 03 '24
For sure. When I was on Ozempic if I had two beers I threw up so I basically stopped drinking.
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u/dCLCp Sep 03 '24
It is essentially a panacea as far as we can tell right now. I think for the next four or five years, pretty much everyone who is taking this stuff is going to be better off than the people who aren't.
Period.
There will be side effects and all sorts of other nuances just like with anything... but the Framingham Heart Study has found that overweight individuals who lost 5-10% of their body weight experienced improved longevity compared to those who remained overweight . Specifically, a weight reduction of around 10% can be associated with a 20-25% reduction in overall mortality risk among obese individuals . Life Expectancy: A meta-analysis involving several studies, including Framingham data, suggests that overweight individuals who achieve and maintain a 5-10% weight loss may see an increase in life expectancy of approximately 2-4 years, depending on other health factors .
2-4 years! In a META analysis!
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u/Mec26 Sep 03 '24
I mean, if obesity and metabolic disorder led to the heart attack, wouldn’t getting out of the metabolic cycle be amazing for that whole staying alive thing?
I am not a doctor, but this tracks. See problem, treat cause, have less of problem.
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u/corticalization Sep 03 '24
Also obesity if officially recognized as a chronic disease
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/obesity-and-overweight
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u/Selarom13 Sep 03 '24
Wegovy came years after Ozempic when they noticed the effects it had on weight loss, which is why they share the same active ingredient.
Many medications have more than one use.
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u/Noname_acc Sep 03 '24
Case in point: viagra. Millions have taken the little blue pill to get rocked up. Far, far fewer have taken it for heart disease.
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u/Lukester32 Sep 03 '24
Wegovy and Ozempic are the same thing, one is just branded for obesity.
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u/iPlowedUrMom Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Jumping on this for some additional info; ozempic and wegovy are medications that will reduce muscle mass as well as fat;
As we get older, it's harder to put back on muscle mass.
If you go off these drugs, you will potentially put back on fat faster than muscle mass.
There are a few pharmaceutical companies that are working in tangent with wegovy and ozempic to work towards reducing the muscle mass loss, though they are currently in trial phase.
Edit: didn't realize so many scientists here on BPT!
But as data in the weight loss arena accrues, another challenge has been revealed. People dropping pounds on Ozempic are losing not only fat, but also muscle mass. This is a condition known as sarcopenia. As muscle mass diminishes, so do strength, stamina and resting metabolic rate. To be clear, sarcopenia is a risk in any rapid weight loss, and it is not unique to semaglutides.
To combat this, drug manufacturers are racing to develop medications to address the problem. Some are planning clinical trials of drugs that will boost muscle metabolism and metabolic function. Others are exploring medications that would block the signaling pathways that lead to muscle loss.
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u/borrowingfork Sep 03 '24
But doesn't most rapid weight loss, or significant weight loss come with a high chance of muscle loss? It's not just these drugs, right? I have heard this a bit and would love to know if they specifically make you lose more muscle than other weight loss methods, given I'm older.
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u/borrowingfork Sep 03 '24
Thank you for your considered response. I'm on liraglutide and menopausal so am extremely conscious of muscle loss but am also focussed on weight training. I really love losing muscle, it's been a hobby of mine for many years /s. Might be something to do with hypermobility but who knows.
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u/lazymarlin Sep 03 '24
Rapid weight loss due leads to muscle loss due do to lower caloric intake. You can’t build muscle while experiencing a caloric deficit below what is needed to keep your body running.
You body will not create new muscle mass if your body needs those calories to keep the lights on.
Consuming higher amounts of protein will help counter muscle loss if you are trying to lose weight
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u/zeropointloss Sep 03 '24
I'll speak to that, I'm currently on Zepbound, and I have lost 30 lbs or so, but my lifts are straight stagnant for the last 3 months or so. I'm not getting weaker, just zero strength improvement in any lift. I'll take the tradeoff though, it's really cut down my cravings for alcohol as well so that's nice.
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u/presentaneous Sep 03 '24
ozempic and wegovy are medications that will reduce muscle mass as well as fat
Isn't this pretty common for people that lose weight quickly in general? I wonder if it's more pronounced than in people who lose weight at the same rate without ozempic/wegovy.
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u/lazymarlin Sep 03 '24
That’s not true. You will lose muscle mass if you stop eating the necessary protein/calories. It’s not like it prevents the body from creating/maintaining muscle.
If you would like to lose some weight but not muscle, taking a lower dose of semaglutide over a longer period of time would be a good idea vs a higher dose/short time period
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u/TurtleneckTrump Sep 03 '24
Semaglutide also seems to have amazing effects on slowing aging and preventing cardiovascular diseases
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u/Upper_Bluejay5216 Sep 03 '24
Oh brother, semaglutide is most definitely used to curb appetite in other drugs 🙄. People are annoying and full of it. DO YOU CARE ABOUT OBESE PEOPLES HEALTH OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO FEEL BETTER THAN SOMEONE?
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u/danabeezus ☑️ Sep 03 '24
THIS. RIGHT. HERE.
They don't want us to get well, they want us to die suffering.
My blood sugar was above 200 for MONTHS and I couldn't get it down for anything. I was taking metformin. Eating zero sugar. I started losing weight and then BOOM my body turned against me and my sugar levels became uncontrollable again. A1C flew up. I was hopeless.
My doc prescribed Ozempic and for the first time IN TEN YEARS my blood sugar dropped below 110. I was against Ozempic because of all these naysayers and Hollywood types - turns out this drug might save my life.
Fuck. These. Haters.
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u/Electrical-Help5512 Sep 03 '24
I don't take it but this just comes across as hating.
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u/Xebou Sep 03 '24
The compound Semaglutide is available in abundance. The only resource that is causing a slow down is the ozempic brand delivery pen. They are costly and take time to make. You can use semaglutide with a regular needle. People just prefer the pens because it's a premeasured dose. (which is a dose too low for those trying to lose weight, so they aren't using them) - Sincerely a diabetic that hated being on Sema and finally got switched to a different med.
I think this is a wonderful discovery and I am so happy that many people are getting help from it. It's been around for over 20yrs. The only problem comes when people over use and abuse it. For diabetics most doctors advise you start at .25 and go up .25 once a month and do not exceed 2.00.
I've had friends ask me about it because their doctor wants to put them on it for weight loss and prescribed they start at 2.00 and go up to 8.00. I think I would literally die at that dose. But maybe my system is different.
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u/unexpectedhalfrican Sep 03 '24
Same with tirzepatide. The drug is available but the pens are slowing down production. Fortunately, I have found a reputable compounding pharmacy so I can bypass the shortage by injecting from a vial and syringe, which I have no issue with (I know some folks do though). It's more expensive than if my insurance was covering it, to be sure, but at some point your health becomes more important than the money.
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u/Keeperofthecube Sep 03 '24
How do you find a reputable compounding pharmacy?
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u/wesyad11 Sep 03 '24
Nowadays it's so much easier. Look up Orderly and its reviews. No need to do what the other comment said. Things are way more legit and reputable now, albeit a little pricier to start til you get to high doses
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u/ManagerDwightBeetz Sep 03 '24
Starting at 2 instead of .25 is just crazy and unsafe. And it goes against the recommendations by the company.
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u/homogenousmoss Sep 03 '24
Yeah the ramp up was because the trials showed that starting at the full dose was too much. I’ve been at 1 for 2 months and no way am I going higher. That doctor is crazy.
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u/homogenousmoss Sep 03 '24
I’m in the semaglutide/ozempic sub reddit. There are generic forms of it not using the pfizzer pen sold in the US. All the overdose/deaths on ozempic I’ve read about were from people confused about the dosage and they shot themselved up with 4 to 8 times the dosage they should’ve gotten on their first injection. It works like insulin, they get a bottle of the stuff and needles/syringes but it seems many misunderstand the measurements.
Its a semi frequent post on the sub reddit where someone is panicking because they just realized they injected too much. That stuff is pretty rough, especially the first few months, I cant imagine doing 8x the starting dose on day one you must feel like dying.
So yeah, the pen is a pretty darn neat invention and its mostly idiot proof.
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u/InflamedLiver Sep 03 '24
The secondary affect is appetite suppression. So it is very helpful for the obesity issue. The reason this is so crazy is there is insulin for diabetes but not so many things so effective for weight loss
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u/Solameni Sep 03 '24
I thought that was the primary effect. What's the primary?
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u/skatergurljubulee Sep 03 '24
It helps moderate blood sugar. It helps level out diabetics so there aren't extreme highs and lows. A lot of type 2 diabetics use it but type 1 diabetics use it as well. I use it (type 1). It can sometimes be difficult to get it filled.
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u/ThaRealSunGod Sep 03 '24
No the primary effect is decreased appetite.
Ozempic is a GLP-1 agonist.
GLP-1 is a hormone naturally produces by all humans. It makes us feel full.
Ozempic binds to those receptors and mimics it.
It helps moderate blood sugar because blood sugar goes up when we eat.
The secondary effect if one wants to put it that way would be the effect on insulin but the drug itself is quite directly a satiety hormone mimic.
Therefore eating less decreases it.
Insulin also rises with blood sugar, therefore this helps moderate that too and why it is prescribed to diabetics
But I really want to stress it's not a miracle, it just allows you to manipulate otherwise auto regulated aspects of human physiology.
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u/BroadScholar80085 Sep 03 '24
It’s hard to say which is primary vs secondary but it also reduces blood sugar by increasing insulin release and decreasing release of glucagon, thus inhibiting the liver’s ability to make more glucose.
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u/HairyHeartEmoji Sep 03 '24
insulin is last resort for type 2 diabetes. you're supposed to use metabolism altering drugs such a metformin. metformin just gives you awful side effects
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u/acarpenter08096 Sep 03 '24
Hogged? My wife gets it prescribed by her doctor and her insurance covers it. And we’re neither.
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u/_shaftpunk Sep 03 '24
You’re neither a doctor nor insurance?
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u/overeasy-e Sep 03 '24
I am also not an insurance company
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u/HonoraryBallsack Sep 03 '24
Don't push your politics on me, pal! (And just to be clear, I'm neither politics nor pal.)
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u/Feldar Sep 03 '24
My wife was unable to find it for her diabetes from late 2023 to early 2024, but they seem to have increased supply to deal with people using it for weight loss now.
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u/The_Bill_Brasky_ Sep 03 '24
Preach. $20 copay with insurance here. I'm a union worker and my wife is a receptionist. Wisconsin resident, maybe we get bumped in front of the celebrities? Citing state crisis, of course
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u/PM_ME_GLUTE_SPREAD Sep 03 '24
Is it prescribed for weight loss or for diabetes? My understanding has been that most insurances wont cover it for weight loss but they will if it’s for diabetes.
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u/Classic-Champion-421 Sep 03 '24
It’s prescribed as a diabetes preventative for people who are pre diabetic.
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Sep 03 '24
Yup, private insurance makes it free or mostly free
It’s not in Medicaid which is why people complain/ I remember when people opposed allowing viagra on Medicare
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u/madogvelkor Sep 03 '24
Yeah, I know a woman who is pre-diabetic and her mom had diabesity and went blind from it. She was prescribed ozempic due to the risk, weight loss is more of a side benefit of not going blind or losing a limb one day.
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u/doktaj Sep 03 '24
Depends on the insurance company. The ones I (a primary care physician in the military) work with mostly require you have failed other pharmaceutical weight loss treatments. It also requires that I attest that the patient is enrolled in a lifestyle/nutrition/ exercise program, as that is much more likely to make people keep the weight off once they reach a normal BMI (or at least require a lower dose to maintain a normal bmi).
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u/PollutionMany4369 Sep 03 '24
Lucky. I was prescribed it (PCOS, insulin resistance) and my insurance didn’t cover it. And I have Anthem. 🥲 the pharmacy called and said I owed something like $3700 to come pick up the prescription and I said “I won’t be doing that today, thank yew.”
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u/That-Ad-4300 Sep 03 '24
There is so much misinformation about this drug. It's either Saint or Devil. I can't tell which yet. Maybe both.
I give up.
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u/DMercenary Sep 03 '24
Iirc, its a medicine originally developed for diabetic management. One of its effects is appetite suppressant.
What's one surefire way to induce weight loss? Literally expend more calories than you take in. You dont feel like eating or eating as much = less calories being taken in.
Its kind of like how Viagra was developed.
Pfizer was looking for a drug to treat angina(a heart disease) and stumbled on a pill for ED.
As for why people decry it? My take is that those people think its "cheating." "You didnt put in the work, you just took something! You didnt earn it."
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u/couchtomato62 Sep 03 '24
My blood sugars were constantly over 300. My a1c was over 12 when I told my doctor I wanted ozempic. In the last 6 months my blood sugar has gone over 200 maybe 3 or 4 times. That's why I use it. I've only lost like 7 lbs. The pharmacy told me it would be 200 a month which was fine since my company puts 300/mo in an hsa and I also don't have to pay for health care premiums out of my paycheck. I just have co pays when I pay for medicine or doctors visits. When I got my first refill on the ozempic it was only 20. I asked zero questions lol.
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u/TSTC Sep 03 '24
It's not just an appetite suppressant. It interacts with the parts of the brain that play a role in addiction, which is why it also has an off label effect with people that have substance use disorders. So it's actually helping people be able to reset pathways in the brain that contribute to their food addiction, which is what is maintaining obesity.
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u/fireblyxx Sep 03 '24
IMO, it’s less about “cheating” but more about people looking down on heavy set people as some sort of moral failing and being upset that Ozempic allows people to lose weight without, in their opinion, having to pay the required penance.
I see people hating on Ozempic in the same camp as people who hated it when the gay couple got voted prom royalty at high school. They are upset that society doesn’t align with their beliefs, and are insisting that it’s others peoples failures that we’ve gotten here.
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u/improbsable Sep 03 '24
Literally. Losing weight is HARD. There’s no shame in getting medical help
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u/unexpectedhalfrican Sep 03 '24
I worked with my PCP and a nutritionist for months, kept a food log, exercised as much as I could (on top of working 16 hour shifts 3 days per week), and I lost nothing. I have a thyroid issue and some other stuff that certainly doesn't help, but my doc looked at my progress (or lack thereof) and was like, "I know how hard you've been working, let's try something else," and prescribed Zepbound (tirzepatide, a drug similar to ozempic).
I'm down 50lbs since May 1st of this year. For people like me who have yo-yo'd for years and struggled and still couldn't lose even when we did the right things, these drugs are a miracle and could be lifesaving.
Plus, for people with food addiction, it turns off the food noise in your head, you don't crave the unhealthy foods you used to binge, and you just generally have a healthier outlook on portions and the kind of food you should be eating. They're studying these meds for their abilities to help with other addictions as well because of how they've positively affected the patients who take them. They also reduce inflammation in the body.
So now I'm 50lbs lighter (still a ways to go), I have a healthier view of food, and I'm no longer in pain due to the anti-inflammatory properties. I'm sorry if people think it's "cheating" but no one else has to live in my body but me, so I'm going to do what's best for my health regardless of anybody else's opinions.
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u/ToyDingo Sep 03 '24
Hell yea buddy!
I'm so tired of people screeching "just eat less and move more! It's not that hard to understand!" Many of us have tried that for years and gotten no where!!!
If science and medicine can make this easier, then so be it!
Good luck buddy!
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u/Portarossa Sep 03 '24
I'm so tired of people screeching "just eat less and move more! It's not that hard to understand!" Many of us have tried that for years and gotten no where!!!
I think it's because people confuse simple with easy. Yeah, weight loss is simple: eat fewer calories than you burn. Yeah, quitting smoking is simple: just don't buy cigarettes, don't put them in your mouth, and don't light them on fire. There's nothing complicated about it on paper.
But easy? When you've had a hard day at work and you can't be bothered to cook so you just order in, because you work hard and damn it, you've got the money, so why not? When that cheesecake tastes so fucking good you find yourself craving just another bite? When someone piles up your plate extra high and it would be rude to say no? Yeah, that's pretty fuckin' difficult. Day by day, hour by hour, you've got to keep making the right choice, because making the wrong choice can start that slippery slope right back up again.
Weight loss is simple, but it's hard. Anything that can make that easier is A-OK in my book.
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u/abadstrategy Sep 03 '24
Right on brother. My doc started me on phenterimine (similar to medical grade meth) recently, and I've dropped 23 pounds in the last month. Like you, thyroid issues made it hard as fuck to get even a pound off
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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu Sep 03 '24
I was talking to my doctor about it (a bariatric specialist) and he was reasonably confident that Ozempic will eventually be refined from being a weekly jab to being more like a monthly jab and it really will become something that some people will just be on as a life long on going treatment.
It’s already a game changing treatment and it will only be more and more effective as the research continues.
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u/MorseMooseGreyGoose Sep 03 '24
My God, this resonates with me, especially the “food noise” bit. I feel like a lot of people have never actually had to deal with stuff like that, how your mind can really do a number on you with food. That is one of the biggest things I’ve noticed since going on Ozempic, that the way I look at portion sizes has changed, and that food noise is disappearing.
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u/hoopaholik91 Sep 03 '24
This is also my opinion on why people hate abortion. It's not about saving babies, it's about punishing women. They don't deserve to "cheat" their way out of having a baby, they need to pay their penance for being promiscuous.
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u/controlledwithcheese Sep 03 '24
A lot of common medication was developed this way. I am currently taking blood pressure pills and use a veterinary dewormer paste to combat my face getting red sometimes, same as many people across the world as those are standard for treating rosacea.
No one bats an eye unless overweight women are involved. I guess people who were never overweight really think they are morally superior somehow. Weird and pathetic
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u/skatergurljubulee Sep 03 '24
It works just fine for what it's supposed to do. I tend to see this as reason number 58573928 why pharmaceutical companies shouldn't be allowed to advertise directly to the public. A lot of this misunderstanding would not be here if it was a drug suggested by your doctor and not seen on ads between YouTube videos and late night tv.
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u/dCLCp Sep 03 '24
Aspirin is just for pain. Ibuprofen is just for pain. Forget any anti-clotting, any fever reducing. Nah only the people in pain can uses these drugs. Everyone else is CHEATING.
You people are ridiculous. How about this... if you are not a doctor or a pharmacist or any kind of scientist... maybe just don't make assertions you aren't qualified to defend?
Doing so is how words like "retarded" become pejorative. It's how words like GRID get (Gay Related Immune Disease) into the lexicon and hurt normal people. It's how homosexuality itself got pathologized.
You people are NOT qualified to be making medical judgements. If you are getting medical judgements from twitter or "X" you are spreading misinfo. That's all you are doing. Just stop...
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u/brok3ntok3n82 Sep 03 '24
Just be happy for people. I swear we live in the United Haters of America.
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u/PhgAH Sep 03 '24
"Cure", lol. Half of the reason the company worth a trillion dollar is because all of the effect go away went you stop using the drug. Is a fucking subscription.
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u/Objective-Amount1379 Sep 03 '24
If you spend maybe 5 mix max on Google you would see LIKE MOST MEDICATIONS FOR CHRONIC ISSUES like high blood pressure or diabetes this is meant to be something you take on an ongoing basis.
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u/loki2002 Sep 03 '24
I don't plan to take it forever, myself. I have used this time to completely reset my relationship with food and made lifestyle choices that will last long after I stop taking it. The people that gain the weight back forget that you still have to do other work if you plan on maintaining the weight loss just like every other diet and weight loss drug that has ever existed.
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u/improbsable Sep 03 '24
So is the treatment for many other issues. If taking this drug gets people to a healthy weight, more power to them
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u/Thelonius_Dunk Sep 03 '24
I'm normally one who thinks more people should try to lose weight naturally, but doing this in America is on super-hard mode. It does sound very easy ("move more, eat less"), but the execution is hard. Most of us have to drive everywhere, which cuts down on daily walking. Then there's commuting and working which reduces your time to cook healthier meals and your time to exercise. Then there's just the over-abundance of readily available shitty food, which takes a lot of discipline to not eat, and so many people are beaten down in life that discipline is just not there. Plus, food being one of the few "affordable" luxuries in life, people will want to indulge in it. It makes a lot of sense why Americans are so overweight.
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u/Myrion_Phoenix Sep 03 '24
It's not just the US. Sure, it's bonus hard there, but once you've gotten to a point where you're literally never not hungry and it's down to "willpower" to not eat or over eat at every opportunity you have - you've lost.
I couldn't ever have lost weight the way that Wegovy enables me to without it. I was never actually full/sated unless I was so full it physically hurt. Every time I'd see food that I didn't outright hate I'd be tempted. That's not sustainable, that's not something you can "just resist" - much like addiction.
Previously, I'd have agreed with you: try without, and if morbidly obese and this helps, good. Now, I know better. It doesn't have to seem as extreme from the outside to be the same fundamental issue.
Something in my brain was wrong, and instead of depression, that made me fat. Now, I don't take SSRIs, I take semaglutide, and that may not be an outright cure (though I still hope that I can stay thin without it, long-term) but it's damn sure the right treatment and a good thing for my body overall.
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u/SewerRanger Sep 03 '24
People will argue with you until they're blue in the face that it's just "will power" and "you need to just control yourself" and then when a study comes out showing your body makes more of a chemical than other peoples, they'll argue it's cheating to take a drug that regulates that. To me, it's like arguing that depressed people need to just cheer up some and taking SSRI's is cheating or people with anxiety just need to meditate a little more and taking drugs for that is cheating. There's been multiple studies showing a chemical imbalance in the digestive system leads to overeating, but everyone likes to ignore that fact and just call people lazy.
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u/Niaden Sep 03 '24
It took me 10 years of childhood obesity to get the mindset needed to lose weight the first time. When Covid made me gain it back, it still took another two years to get that mindset back so I could do it again, and I'm still not done this time.
It's hard to get into the right headspace, even if you've done it before. If a drug can help induce that in order to get someone to lose weight, fantastic. Some people need the help, especially after a lifetime of learning the wrong things about the body and food.
I think something that will need to be worked on is for people to have a landing point set out after losing the weight. Doctors/Practitioners are going to need to develop tools that will help them once they've already lost the weight and need to maintain again, otherwise they'll bounce back.
The only reason I don't take it is through sheer stubbornness of wanting to do it on my own.
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u/TipsalollyJenkins Sep 03 '24
None of this is even considering things like mental issues. Overeating is common in people with depression for example, as it's one source of dopamine that often still works even when severe depression hits. People with clinically poor impulse control (ADHD for example), hell there are literally gut bacteria that can trigger intense cravings for specific types of foods that some people have to deal with. Physical disability can also greatly limit how much people are able to exercise.
"Calories in, calories out" is technically true, and it sounds deceptively simple, but it glosses over the fact that what determines how many calories go in and how many go out can be an incredibly complex set of circumstances and conditions.
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u/GG_Top Sep 03 '24
Right unlike diet and exercise which you do to get fit then can stop forever…..
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u/jason2354 Sep 03 '24
I exercise 3-4 times a week on average and am in pretty good shape and it’s still a struggle to motivate myself to go and do it like 30% of the time.
That’s after years of a routine and at a point where I actually enjoy exercising while I’m doing it (most of the time).
Everything is “easy” in a vacuum. Getting an overweight person to start losing weight is one of the hardest things you can do.
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u/SouthamptonGuild Sep 03 '24
But those are traditional and then how would we hate on fat people?
Lose weight fattie!
No... not like that!
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u/Loves_octopus Sep 03 '24
It is easy to gain back lost weight but it’s also so so so much easier to maintain a lower weight than to lose weight. It’s not a perfect or necessarily permanent cure, but it is a cure.
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u/jameytaco Sep 03 '24
Yeah and like if you stop taking insulin you still have diabetes. What a scam, don’t you think?
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u/math2ndperiod Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
I mean it still cures obesity, it’s just that people give themselves the disease again. I don’t think that disqualifies it from being counted as a cure. Permanently altering someone’s brain chemistry is a big ask.
Edit: Wow this pissed a lot of people off. If you’re one of the 40 people commenting the same shit about it not being a cure because people regain the weight, I’ll just respond here.
Obesity is not “wanting to eat too much,” obesity is being too fat. If there’s a medication that makes you not fat, it cured your obesity, even if it didn’t cure your desire to eat too much. If you go eat too much afterwards, you’re just once again giving yourself the disorder that the medication cured you of.
To give a different example, have we not cured chlamydia or any other infectious disease because people can go get infected again?
The medication has not fixed obesity as a societal issue, but it can absolutely cure it.
And if you’re one of the many people who said the cure is diet and exercise instead, that makes no sense because people ballooned up after diets all the time. It’s a well studied phenomenon that people who are fat usually have successfully lost weight before, they just can’t keep it off. So you’re contradicting yourself.
Edit 2: And if you’re one of the people talking about eating disorders or the effects on people’s muscle when they stop eating or any of the other many different diseases that can be associated with obesity, those are not obesity.
Somebody mentioned that ozempic only makes you lose 10-20 pounds. If that’s true, then THAT would be a reason it’s not a cure, and thanks for mentioning it.
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u/XThePariahX Sep 03 '24
Hi, Pharmacist here. It’s not a cure and it doesn’t permanently change your brain chemistry. I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s cheating but it is in a way. But fussing about it being for DM2 and not obesity is also silly. DM2 is HIGHLY associated with obesity, one essentially inducing the other. So if someone is using it just for obesity and they do not yet have DM2 then it’s preventing DM2 … so still for diabetes.
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u/LongestUsernameEverD Sep 03 '24
So if someone is using it just for obesity and they do not yet have DM2 then it’s preventing DM2 … so still for diabetes.
Thank you.
Got a lot of shit for taking Ozempic when I was fat and pre-diabetic because "you don't already have diabetes, if you use it people that ackshually need it won't have it!!!"
Nevermind the fact that I live in Brazil and here insulin is free, so no one needs Ozempic the same way they do in the US.
But then again, I don't give a fuck if people use it just because they're fat.
Being fat makes you have tons of issues. Just because it's not diabetes doesn't make them any less serious.
I had fatty liver, hiatal hernia and my hormones were completely busted, even though I exercised regularly.
Now I'm clear of all of those thanks to Ozempic and HRT, and I'm off both.
Much easier to keep myself on the leaner side when I have all my hormones in the right places and had an easier time getting to the leaner side in the first place.
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u/Significant-Art-5478 Sep 03 '24
This. If people want to take Ozempic, understand the side effects and risks, and understand it is not a cure, then go for it. It can be a great tool to reaching health goals for those who need it.
My issue is the celebrities taking it quietly to reach a level of skinny that looks extremely unnatural on their frame (a sign of an eating disorder to me), and then touting some healthy lifestyle they claim allowed them to achieve it. That's just 90s diet pills all over again.
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u/DeeDeeNix74 Sep 03 '24
Then their prescribers are the problem because you need to have a certain BMI to be prescribed it in the first place. Most of those celebrities don’t meet the criteria for it. It’s shitty doctors prescribing them as vanity shots.
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u/SenorSplashdamage Sep 03 '24
The social stigmas around this drug reveal so much about people’s attitudes toward health, others, and so many biases. As long as we can rule out significant problems long term, we should be generous in giving this to anyone who is overweight and can’t lose it easily. It would change society if we could reduce weights and all the health costs that come with it. But even more, it would change the quality and length of life for so much of the population. People would have the energy and ability to play with their kids more. Parents wouldn’t die as early. People we take care of wouldn’t lose parts of their feet because of disease that overrides what people want for themselves.
Make it less scarce and be happy others are benefitting from it.
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u/microcosmic5447 Sep 03 '24
You're thinking of "treatment", not cure. It treats obesity, doesn't cure it.
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u/Enigma-exe Sep 03 '24
No, a cure would literally solve the issue. Insulin isn't the cure for T1 diabetes, it's the lifesaving medication
Ozempic is best used to motivate you to make the other changes you need to, because if you don't, you'll go straight to being obese again when you stop
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u/AcePlague Sep 03 '24
Sorry, this just isn't correct.
Semaglutide gives you the sensation that you are full. Whilst taking it, you will not eat as much food.
If you do that for a significant time, say for 6 months+, when you stop your body won't suddenly want the volume or type of food you previously ate, it will be accustomed to a smaller diet. It has changed your habit.
Yes people can relapse, and go back into poor diets. A significant enough number of people maintain a healthy diet after quitting the drug, and that should be seen as a success.
No drug is 100% successful. There is no cure for any type of addiction or habit, that is permanent.
The only reason people hate on ozempic is because it's expensive and seen as a fashion trend because celebrities have endorsed it.
Yes, they could lose weight without ozempic, but equally there's a load of addicts who could just stop abusing drugs. We don't just tell them to change their behaviour with a click of a finger, we offer support and pharmaceutical intervention when appropriate.
This should be no different.
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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu Sep 03 '24
It also isn’t just an appetite suppressant. It slows digestion as well. Which is why constipation is a side effect.
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u/droans Sep 03 '24
And that's how most diets work.
It's rare that someone who needs to diet will be successful the first time and maintain their weight for the rest of their life. Usually they will gain some or all weight back and need to diet again in the future.
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u/CricketSuspicious819 Sep 03 '24
It is a shame that people see diet as a temporary thing.
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u/FUSe Sep 03 '24
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240521-what-happens-when-you-stop-taking-ozempic
TLDR: only about 10% of people are able to maintain their weight loss after getting off the drug.
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u/WestCoastBestCoast01 Sep 03 '24
Interesting, from the drug trials too, they found 2/3 of participants gained back most of the weight within 12 months.
Doesn’t surprise me at all. Maintaining a lower weight takes so much more effort than not, and it takes some education about your own body and the self awareness to redirect your behaviors after a period of less disciplined eating. Most of the people on ozempic aren’t building those habits, they’re just relying on a low appetite.
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u/throwaway23345566654 Sep 03 '24
Yes but it increasingly appears that GLP-1 agonists like ozempic primarily operate on the reward centers of the brain. It’s not just making you feel full, it’s making you less motivated to eat. And drink alcohol. And do any compulsive behaviour.
But if you live a shitty, stressful life that makes you want to overeat, then a drug can’t fix that. Poverty, long working hours, low personal autonomy, lack of social connection, these are all things that give you high cortisol / obesity type impulses.
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u/readmedstudiesfool Sep 03 '24
I don't know enough about the medication to be on either side, but haven't people been saying this whole time mostly upper middle class/rich people are using it
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u/Legitimate_Concern_5 Sep 03 '24
You should see the stats on diet and exercise. 10% for ozempic is actually better than the stats for weight maintenance attempting to diet an exercise.
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u/Oemiewoemie Sep 03 '24
It not only gives you the sensation that you are full, it also stops the obsession with food in your head. Which pretty much means you can overcome the food addiction as long as you’re on semaglutide. When you’re on it, you eat much more rationally, seeing food as fuel, without the emotional component to it. No more eating your feelings!
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u/imagery69 Sep 03 '24
Yes! I was prescribed Ozempic last year. I lost 60 pounds over 10 months. People don’t realize when you’re heavy, it makes exercise 50 times harder. Imagine jumping up and down with so much extra weight. Ozempic gave me the chance to lose some weight before I started exercising, so it wasn’t so hard on my joints. I’m not on Ozempic anymore. But I’m down an additional 15 pounds since I stopped. I learned better life long eating habits. I work out regularly and I’m healthy. I wish people understood it’s not just the rich and famous its benefits. It helps everyday people regulate their bodies and find health.
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u/HairyHeartEmoji Sep 03 '24
a lot easier to stay thin than to lose weight.
and the goal for most extremely obese people is becoming mildly overweight. it's extremely rare that someone morbidly obese gets to average and stays there.
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u/MisterProfGuy Sep 03 '24
Ozempic seems to do far, far more than that. It's doing something with the reward centers too, and people find it easier to make a LOT of changes, not just sugar related. It's being reported and studies how people are quitting many compulsive behaviors as a result of Ozempic, like gambling addiction and alcoholism.
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u/BenevenstancianosHat Sep 03 '24
mind-altering drugs that make you question tradition, reality, and authority: straight to jail
mind-altering drugs that change your perception of food: $$$$
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u/Desert-Noir Sep 03 '24
It does more than just changing your perception of food, in fact it doesn’t change perception, it makes you feel full on less food.
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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu Sep 03 '24
I used ozempic to prep for a gastric bypass and the. Again to before a hernia surgery to hit a target weight.
It’s an effective tool and treatment for the right people if used correctly.
It helped me fix an eye problem that meant I could stop taking a daily tablet because I no longer required it.
I’m lucky I don’t need it to be a lifelong… but fucked if I’d let you make me feel guilty if it was what I needed as a life long treatment. Particularly when what worked for me was expensive invasive surgery, which has its own lifelong downsides I’ll have to deal with.
You don’t get to tell me (or anyone) that diabetes is a serious enough illness to warrant a treatment but obesity isn’t.
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u/fuzzycuffs Sep 03 '24
Well it just makes you not want to eat, which makes you lose weight. If you stop taking it and start eating a ton again you'll gain weight again.
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u/InanimateCarbonRodAu Sep 03 '24
Yeah that’s why my professional doctor had me on a multifaceted treatment plan that included Ozempic, consulting a Nutritionist and other strategies.
It’s just a tool in the arsenal against obesity. One that can be very effective for some people when combined with the right motivation and life style changes.
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u/Own_City_1084 Sep 03 '24
Much like blood pressure, diabetes, depression, afib, etc. etc. the problems come back when you stop medicating. Crazy, I know.
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u/minty_dinosaur Sep 03 '24
so are thyroid, heart, allergy, migraine, endometriosis, liver medications. pretty much anything that has done damage to the point of being chronic, or not being treatable another way.
should a mildly fat person rely on ozempic with zero lifestyle changes? no. of course not. but it's a miracle for people who are at the point of giving up about losing weight anyway. so what's the lesser evil?
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u/rugby_enthusiast Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
I mean, that's the same with any sort of chronic illness. If you have type 2 diabetes, you'll always have to take insulin. Same with high blood pressure medication, allergies, asthma inhalers, etc. But that being said, these also don't cure their illnesses, so Ozympic shouldn't necessarily be seen as a cure, either. But it shouldn't be looked down on as a "subscription" because so many other medications work that way, too.
Edit: Type 1 diabetes, not necessarily type 2
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u/The_Quality_4k ☑️ Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
I fuxking hate this type of gate keeping.
As someone who currently takes Wegoovy for over now and has lost 87lbs and feels A-Fu*&ing-mazing.
I heard this same argument and researched this medicine for months, believing it was expensive and hard to get. WRONG... this medicine is readily available "now," and it is less than $20 on insurance.
Don't have insurance. Ask your local pharmacy for a coupon, call the company, and ask for a coupon.
Edit: 1 year on
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u/Mec26 Sep 03 '24
Just to add:
Also, if you have the types of metabolic diseases (or precursors) that would make insurance pay for these drugs, talk to your doctor cuz it’s not “cheating” it’s literally treating your body so you live healthier and longer.
Preventative healthcare is what you want. Reactive healthcare is what makes for good drama tv but a terrible day.
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u/The_Quality_4k ☑️ Sep 03 '24
This... My doctor is amazing, (Health and Wellness DR) she only spoke to the insurance about my health. BMI, Pre diabetes, High blood pressure. I don't have any of these symptoms anymore!!! BMI is less than 20!!
GO TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR AND IF YOU DONT HAVE ONE, RESEARCH FREE HEALTH/WELLNESS CLINICS AND OTHER OPTIONS, DONT GIVE UP. ITS YOUR HEALTH AND ITS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN YOUR LIFE.
"HEALTH IS WEALTH" sounds cliche but it is so fuxking true, it took me 40 years to believe it.
Making money has never been a problem for me! Even when I was fat but now I want longevity and the ability to enjoy my blessing later in life.
RIP FAT Man Scoop & BeatKing.
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u/Mec26 Sep 03 '24
Hells yes!
You beat diabetes before it even caught you. Well done.
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u/Wucky622 Sep 03 '24
The coupon for people who don’t have insurance or with insurance that don’t cover the meds brings it down to around $600 a month. Not everyone is lucky to get it for the low cost you get it at
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u/BeardedForHerPleasur Sep 03 '24
There are cheaper options now. If you can pay in advance, there are options through places like Hims and WeightWatchers for around $100 a month.
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u/justtosubscribe Sep 03 '24
I’m on Zepbound since April and applaud you for your loss and feeling great because of it. Congratulations!
My god people are so pig-ignorant about these drugs.
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u/ChampionshipSad1809 Sep 03 '24
People without scientific background in a topic should not Gate-keep that said topic. Want to be a rebel and tell others why the medicine is good/bad? Please proceed and research and present your findings in a scientific platform. This is exactly how we ended up with COVID disinformation.
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u/controlledwithcheese Sep 03 '24
Well there is ongoing research into how it helps with alcoholism, ADHD, and overall brain function.
Cannot use those for fear-mongering though :-/
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u/Sorta-Rican Sep 03 '24
It’s not always that simple. There is a marked mortality rate difference with and without GLP-1 drugs in people with obesity. It’s not uncommon to discover multiple uses for drugs upon usage.
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u/BoogerSugarSovereign Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
I don't think there are supply issues with the drug anymore but that was great press for Ozempic and Wegovy for awhile
E: from what I've heard in the US specifically that is
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u/XmissXanthropyX Sep 03 '24
Bro, I live in NZ and am diabetic. Constantly have issues with getting my script cos of the supply issues.
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u/BoogerSugarSovereign Sep 03 '24
That sucks and I'm sorry. I have MDs in my family that say supply is now very stable here but we're all in the US. Hopefully things get better for you soon
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u/Patmaxter Sep 03 '24
German here, it went from instant availability in early 2023, to waiting times between two and four weeks in late '23, to 4-6 weeks in early '24. Wanted to refill my prescription two weeks ago, pharmacist slapped me with a waiting time of 4-5 MONTHS. Additionally most pharmacies will not put you on a waiting list anymore because of that. So currently I've run dry.
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u/mattrimcauthon Sep 03 '24
The shortages are purposeful. There are hundreds of compound pharmacies that make it here in the US you just don’t get the auto injector that branded Ozempic comes with. You get charged waaaay more for the pen than you do for the drug. I can get it for 250 a month out of pocket for my patients but if you get the branded with the auto injector it’s over 1000.
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u/SecretFurryPornAlt Sep 03 '24
Can confirm, sterile compounder here. There's absolutely no shortage of drug, for us the limiting factor was manpower with competency in compounding sterile drugs.
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u/enigmatic_elle Sep 03 '24
This is misinformation. Alongwith weight loss, Ozempic and Wegovy, during clinical trials and scientific studies in multiple countries, have been found to potentially prevent and delay onset of Alzheimer's and Dementia symptoms, as well as (obviously) diabetes and heart conditions. As well, Viagra and other erectile dysfunction medications have been clinically found to prevent and delay Alzheimer's and Dementia symptoms. Granted, medications like Ozempic and Wegovy can be financially out of reach for many due to insurance company coverage. So I'm hoping more scientific studies are done and federal regulation of pricing like insulin. But all we can do now is hope. I hope to go on Ozempic for weight loss and b/c I have Alzheimer's in my family history. We individuals with Alzheimer's and Dementia in our families need some hope.
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u/Garbanzobina24 Sep 03 '24
Ozempic and its counterparts are a fucking incredible changed of the obesity game and when paired with legitimate life style changes help level the neurobiological playing field. Obesity is a disease and many (not all) obese people genuinely struggle with increased appetite cues, increased hunger hormones, and altered brain chemistry making food incredible palatable and difficult to reduce. If this can help them on a chemical level, why the fuck not? I believe if we live in modern times, why not use modern medicine? If you think our ancestors wouldn’t be gobbling up this amazing HYPER palatable food we have now, you’re deeply mistaken. Modern problems require modern solutions IMO.
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u/64-46BMW Sep 03 '24
I make the pens and they are called obesity motor modules even before they got big
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u/makonde Sep 03 '24
Its not just for diabetes that was what the original reasearch and aproval was for but many drugs have dual purposes like this and benefits outside their original use, I think Viagra also was for sonething else, it allowed to be prescribed for weight loss and there are different brand names now specifically for weight loss Mounjaro etc, also there is no shortage it is just the messed up smerican healthcsre system its readily and relatively cheaply available in canada if you sre obese. Its kinda a miracle for people who need it.
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u/Fit-Particular-2882 Sep 03 '24
The thing I don’t understand is why they haven’t marketed Wellbutrin this way. I take it for depression (it’s just ok in this regard), but it cuts my appetite to nothing. I then take that extra assistance and add to it working out. I don’t just rely on the meds.
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u/SamMac62 Sep 03 '24
Wellbutrin is used for weight loss. But it only has a modest effect on weight for a small percentage of patients. When it works, it's an inexpensive option.
~ Women's Health Nurse Practitioner (who does not currently treat overweight/obesity, but many of my patients are treated by others)
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u/AMildPanic Sep 03 '24
for me the appetite suppression on Wellbutrin was EXTREME but only lasted for about two weeks. After that I was back to normal
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u/Lady_Ramos Sep 03 '24
man, mine was so extreme I struggled to eat for like 3 months and lost 40 lbs. food was repulsive to me, like you were asking me to eat dirt. i had to stop taking it, i did like the fact i didn't have a massive urge to eat all the time (thanks ADHD) but it was a bit too much for me. 😭
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u/BirdLeeBird Sep 03 '24
Ozempic haters are so much easier to understand once you realize that they are the same people calling others fat cows at the gym.
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u/haliker Sep 03 '24
Man my ass is fat. Like yoyo dieting, unhappy with everything, ex college athlete fat. Been on ozempic for 2.5 weeks and the difference it has made in terms of mentally feeling like I don't have to eat is crazy. I originally set out as my main changes that I could keep up with drugs or no drugs would be no processed sugars (bye little Debbie I can't pay your light bill anymore) and no fried foods (French fries, boneless wings etc).
After 2 weeks I am at 13lbs lost, feel hungry on occasion but working on trying to just make better choices. Instead of a bowl of ice cream. Maybe i grab a yogurt or something with some protein. Or I go do something so I'm not just bored eating. Either way, it makes a difference and I'm here for it.
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u/NickelBear32 Sep 03 '24
This post is full of people who need to do way more research before running their mouth. These weight loss medications are NOT in scarce supply IN THE SLIGHTEST and it gets 100% covered by insurance and prescribed by doctors as WEIGHT LOSS supplements. If you still think diabetes patients are affected you live under a rock. They fixed that problem SO long ago. It's not even the same medicine between weight loss and diabetes.
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u/fplisadream Sep 03 '24
What are you talking about? It's clearly used for obese people, not just diabetics.
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u/Jazz_the_Goose Sep 03 '24
It’s also been approved as a weight management drug too.
Why do people feel the need to be so judgmental about healthcare decisions that do not affect them? I have no shame in admitting that I’m on Wegovy (a similar drug) for weight management, my doctor prescribed it, and my insurance covers it.
So many people love to spout off about stuff where they simply have no clue what they’re talking about. It’s okay to admit you don’t know something, and then to shut the fuck up about it, actually.
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u/Dunderpunch Sep 03 '24
My mom's never made more than 75k a year - usually half that - and she's got it. My cousin's got it. Hogged by the rich and famous? Doesn't seem like it.
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u/flinderdude Sep 03 '24
People also complained when they cancelled student loans, and affirmative action, so this is nothing new.
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u/efjayl Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
I think the majority of people hating on ozempic are classified as
- Doomsday people
They think everything is bad, and they believe in their hearts science will somehow turn humans into flesh eating zombies lol
- Conspiracy skeptics
Like above this people disregard science for other reasons that in their heads the dots connect refusing to use logic because their logic is greater
- Haters.
They also disregard the positive effects and counter it with highlighting the POSSIBLE negative effects. They think why be healthy and anticipate negative effects in the future.
Because they can't afford it.
I rather up my chances of being healthy and reaping the benefits studies are uncovering to be true when using ozempic than to look at science do wonders and me refusing to try it and decline further in health.
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u/ThatGuyFromTheM0vie Sep 03 '24
There was a recent study that said it also might slow aging, due to inflammation reduction. Inflammation is thought currently to be one of the primary causes of aging.
Perhaps it’s just because the drug makes you skinnier, thus less inflamed. But if there is some extra benefit…well this drug does seem to be a miracle. I don’t take it, but I do find it very interesting.
One of the main “criticisms” I see people make is: “well if you stop taking it, it stops working.”
Uh, so? That’s like every major prescription, and most adults over a certain age all take AT LEAST one lifelong prescription, if not more than one.
Obesity will either kill you or shorten your life if left to fester. The comorbidities for it are insane.
So yea—you have to spend a ton of money and take it possibly forever. Some perceive it as “cheating” weight loss, but is “cheating” making your Thyroid work or “cheating” lowering your blood pressure also “cheating”? Or are those just medications to help people solve an issue they can’t on their own otherwise?
Obesity is a disease. Treating it with medication just like anything else should be welcomed if the cure is relatively safe—because all drugs, even the oldest ones—are only RELATIVELY safe. Everything has side effects or trade offs—and removing obesity even with a trade off is better than living with obesity, if a doctor thinks that it is worth it.
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u/throwawaygoodcoffee Sep 03 '24
God damn some of you act like being obese is literally causing the collapse of society, chill the fuck out and focus on your own body.
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u/waiver45 Sep 03 '24
It actually is a huge problem for our society. Predictions for diabetes type 2 rates and the associated strain on healthcare systems are looking pretty grim in most developed countries and that's just the beginning of it. We need to figure out how to eat healthier and be more active as a society or we'll have a massive bill in a few decades.
I wish the mainstream leftist talking point was more "stop companies from making our food so unhealthy and give us enough leisure time and stability so more people can afford to do some sport in their time off" and less of this knee-jerk defense.
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u/lonnko Sep 03 '24
Ok this is exactly what the post means- why does it matter what it was created for?
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u/LowHonorArthur Sep 03 '24
Also not being hogged by the Rich and famous. My girlfriend who is neither Rich nor famous had no trouble getting a prescription.
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