r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/EnlightnedRedditor • Jul 25 '24
Country Club Thread How yall feel about this
Idc too much for politics, just wanna know other peoples opinions on it.
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u/RobeRotterRod Jul 25 '24
Hopefully this gets more attention because it's pretty spot on. In my space, I know a lotta dudes, especially hood dudes who are usually up to no good, that vote/support trump mostly for his machismo BS. Usually they don't have any educated legitimate reason, and instead go for the hes a billionaire, business man, contrarian, he says what he wants, hes "not part of the system", just base dumbassness. A high-level hood dude who they emulate on this is unfortunately 50 Cent. Which... yea, 50 can do/say what he wants, it wont affect him at all. The rare highly educated blacks I know personally that support him, are unfortunately the smart, successful but deep down mysogenistic, borderline self-hating Uncle Ruckus types who have scraped and scrimped to build a better life and feel the need to align with thee deepest of Conservative ideals, even though they're not really wanted in that room. It's a weird bunch.
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u/GraphikQuotz Jul 25 '24
This. I've been trying to find the words but this is spot on. It usually is the guys on social media who always take the unpopular opinion and will choose to die on that hill no matter what facts are presented. They heavily believe in conspiracies and get their jollies off by making posts of any dramatic event. These guys find a good conspiracy video on tik Tok and run with it because they are reliably against the status quo.
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u/Fragzilla360 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
That is a great term, “reliable contrarians”. I love that.
I said in another thread here, we all know that one person, both in and out of our circle where we always have to ask, “What the fuck is your problem??”
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u/Imhere4thejokes ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Gotdamn…read like a book, it’s the same ones on my sm feeds too. Trying so hard to sound smarter than they are…
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u/Fragzilla360 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Black folks aren’t monolithic, we do have different opinions (even bad ones) that vary from person to person.
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u/dkirk526 Jul 25 '24
True, but I think the shock more comes from, Biden getting 88% of the black vote in 2020, Democrats getting 88% of the black vote in 2022, but in two years since then, we expect a historic voter shift to see Trump getting 20-25% against the first woman of color to be nominated for POTUS.
I'll add, there was a similar flurry of low quality polls in 2022 also expecting Republicans to get 20-30% of the black vote and it didn't happen.
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u/righthandofdog Jul 25 '24
His POC support is religious conservative homophobes and/or toxic masculinity misogynists.
His female support are white supremacists and homophobic evangelicals.
His gay support is white supremacist frat boy gays.
Hating the "right" people is a powerful drug, makes people blind to being tokens stacked for spending.
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u/OrdinayFlamingo Jul 25 '24
You forgot money. The more black people are able to gain upward mobility the more those black people vote with their bank accounts. Within that group are a lot of “I did it so, these n****s on the streets are just lazy and hide behind racism.”
Being a republican is the ultimate way to distance yourself from “them” and they believe their money with protect them.
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u/righthandofdog Jul 25 '24
I live in Atlanta so there's plenty of black folks with plenty of money. No idea how common the Republican voters are in that crowd. The Cascade road Old POC money is the Democrat machine that runs the city.
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u/theaceplaya ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Only a matter of time before being a token gets you spent.
Ask how that upward mobility worked out for Herschel Walker, Candace Owens, Herman Cain, Vivek Ramaswamy/Byron Donalds/Tim Scott's VP hopes. And that's just off the top of my head.
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u/Cultural_Cake6107 Jul 25 '24
His POC support is religious conservative homophobes and/or toxic masculinity misogynists.
Ding ding ding.
Don't forget the edgelords either. They think it makes them special.
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u/0vFire_And_TheVoid Jul 25 '24
Hating the "right" people is a powerful drug, makes people blind to being tokens stacked for spending.
Yup. A lot of these people just want to "get one over on the libs"
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u/DJEkis ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Forgot to add one other group within those: grifters.
Like those Hodge Twins dudes. They hopped on the bandwagon once they too realized they can make money off of dumb folks wanting minorities to pander to their beliefs.
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u/Ok-Permission-2687 Jul 25 '24
I think that’s literally why there’s 21%. The whole Clandace Owens “BLACK PEOPLE ARENT MONOLITHIC!! WE DONT HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATS!”
Like, okay cool. You don’t, but you don’t have to vote for someone that is not on your side, just to prove a point.
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u/Fragzilla360 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
True true. I think we all have that one person we know where we say “What the fuck is your problem?” - that’s that 21%
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u/Lifeshardbutnotme Jul 25 '24
Yes but no Republican has won more that 15% of the African American vote federally since 1960. If Donald Trump is actually able to make that 21% number materialise on election day, (and I highly doubt he will) it will be a catastrophe for the Democrats.
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u/mellolizard Jul 25 '24
Trumps only hope is black voters, along with other reliable dem voting blocs stay home election day.
Thats why it is important to vote.
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u/EnlightnedRedditor Jul 25 '24
Agreed. It was kinda shocking to me tho, especially with trump’s ideals. You’d expect most black folks not to like him.
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u/Salt_Sir2599 Jul 25 '24
In the last 2 years I have been shocked at the number of vocal trump supporters that aren’t boomer white dudes. I worked for a trump supporting lesbian and with a few black trump supporting men ages 22/35/54. Had some good convos, but nonetheless I still can’t understand it.
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u/potatohats Jul 25 '24
I'm a grown lesbian, and was disappointed to learn my ex from high school is a Trump supporter. It blows my mind that people in my community could support such a piece of homophobic trash. They're few and far between, but they're out there (unfortunately.)
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u/FilteredRiddle ☑️ Jul 25 '24 edited Aug 21 '24
I’m a queer, mulatto trans dude with non-apparent disabilities. It’s shocking to me that people in any of my communities support Trump and yet I run into them with enough frequency to be concerned.
Log Cabin Republicans supporting the same vitriol towards gender-diverse folks that trans women like Sylvia Rivera and Marsha P. Johnson fought to end for the entire LGBTQ+ community.
Uncle Toms talking about how BIPOC folks—especially those who haven’t had real opportunities to escape the cycle of historical oppression—are ruining the economy, lazy, violent, “ghetto.”
Second or third generation immigrants blaming first generation immigrants and refugees for taking jobs, adding violence to the system, and soaking up resources.
Disabled folks supporting the same man who actively mocked them and who would take away all public aid or accommodations if he could.
Women supporting the same candidate who has raped multiple women, insulted the women he sexually assaulted, and proudly boasted about grabbing others by the pussy. And cohorts who have decided that a woman’s body and rights rely solely on what men will allow them. It’s mind boggling.
If you challenge their beliefs though, we’re the ignorant ones.
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u/fireside68 Jul 25 '24
The tie that binds: "I got/am getting mine; fuck you".
The inevitable other shoe: "We achieved our goals; you tokens can get spent now."
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u/Ok_Concentrate_75 Jul 25 '24
Imo those are the people who put racism in the back of there head if they can make money. It's like neo-Booker T logic (minus the calls for segregated communities but still wanting the bootstraps mentality)
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u/NoyaBoyy Jul 25 '24
There are some genuine Uncle Ruckus’ out there, I’ve actually met one. Like he really thought he should’ve been born white and was racist as hell. Pretty sure people like him are voting for trump. I also saw this guy on tiktok defending his reasoning for wanting to vote for trump so there’s even some normal ones voting for him
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u/EnlightnedRedditor Jul 25 '24
I’ve encountered some uncle ruckus’ too. Got pulled over by a black cop a couple months ago, nothing was even considered to be an offense. My lil brother was in the back wit my other siblings. They all had seat belts on and so did I. Still got off with a ticket somehow. It be yo own people man.
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u/easy10pins Jul 25 '24
Once a Black man puts on a police uniform, he's no longer Black.
He is blue.
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u/EnlightnedRedditor Jul 25 '24
I think they more so let power get to their head, 9 times outta ten they’re tryna impress white people. At least from my experience.
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u/obviousfakeperson ☑️ Jul 25 '24
The only black person I know who's voting for Trump is a naturalized African immigrant who came here with nothing and started several moderately successful businesses. He likes Trump because he'll be good for business ostensibly and he dgaf about all the obvious racism around the republican party. For him, it's entirely about the policies that will affect him specifically. It's extra ironic because he'd like to bring some of his family members here from his home country... Literally, the definition of "I've got mine fuck everybody else".
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Jul 25 '24
Do most know his dad was a KKK member?
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u/EnlightnedRedditor Jul 25 '24
I didn’t even know that ngl. 😂 it explains a lot tho
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Jul 25 '24
And got sued by the State for discriminating against black renters.
His base doesn't care. They love bigots, they're bigots.
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u/Fragzilla360 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
If we are judging solely by the screen shot you posted, most black folks do.
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u/Hunter-Gatherer_ Jul 25 '24
You know what they meant lol. Sure a majority of black people aren’t voting for him, but the numbers took them by surprise. To see that even 21% of Black people support Trump is alarming, especially considering his take on black people.
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u/MajorAcer Jul 25 '24
My grandma is one of those black trump supporters 😂 Ol’ lady lived in the Bronx her whole life, has known Trump as a piece of shit for years, and still supports him. Can’t make this shit up lmao
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u/Neo_Neo_oeN_oeN ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Everytime someone from the hood tells me they'd vote for Trump, it's always some egregious-assed reason that has shit to do with anything.
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u/thejaytheory ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Often has something do with "Well he gave me a check"
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u/workclock ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Niqqas vouching for white supremacists cause they were given some scraps is how folks like John Brown or Nat Turner were stopped.
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u/theaceplaya ☑️ Jul 25 '24
"wHaT hAvE dEmOcRaTs DoNe FoR tHe bLaCk cOmMuNiTy?!?!"
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u/Dragonsandman Jul 25 '24
Just the idea of a New Yorker who supports Trump is baffling
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u/foxyfoo Jul 25 '24
1 out of 5 is significant. I suspect some of them view it as a protest vote. A way to get back at the system rather then purely agreeing with the ideas. However, religion and anti gay sentiment is probably the bulk of these folks. Maybe the conspiracy aspects are appealing? Seems odd no matter what.
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u/Fragzilla360 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
I guess I’m just desensitized to it now. (Which is probably not good 🤷🏾♂️) Especially after seeing how many back folks were in attendance at the RNC this year cheering on Hulk Hogan and Amber Rose. To me personally that was more alarming as it put faces to a portion of that 21%.
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u/mistakemaker3000 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Real Republicans know exactly who votes for them, and they think they are uneducated and poor
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u/Hunter-Gatherer_ Jul 25 '24
It really does shock me that here are that many Candace Ownes Among us. I expect one or two but damn
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u/T-MUAD-DIB Jul 25 '24
Candace is getting paid at least
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u/MemeHermetic Jul 25 '24
Its partially because Candace is getting paid. It;s working out for her. So if it works for her it must work for me right?
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u/Lazy_Osprey ☑️ Jul 25 '24
I think some people enjoy being contrarian. A politician should absolutely work to earn your vote, but not voting Democrat just because you feel like it’s “expected” of you doesn’t seem like a good enough reason, at least to me.
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u/Warrior_Runding Jul 25 '24
It isn't the Candace Owens, it is the Ben Carsons. The breakdown between that 76%/21% into black women and black men will be very telling as to who is and isn't supporting him and an ideas as to why.
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u/apresmoiputas ☑️ BHM Donor Jul 25 '24
Actually it's interesting how at every RNC, they can't bring back most of the same Black people, especially Black women, from earlier to the stage. Where were Omarosa, Candice Owens, Stacey Dash, and Silk?
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u/a_tired_bisexual Jul 25 '24
polls also tend to have confirmation bias baked into them- that might not be 21% of everyone, but it's 21% of people who care enough about politics to answer a poll like that (I would hope. I have to hope, right?)
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u/aptadnauseum Jul 25 '24
I have the same hopes, tbh. I mean, I never answer the robocalls or polls, so I know that there are at least some people who self-select out of representation in polls in the same fashion.
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u/da_mcmillians Jul 25 '24
I hate Trumpers with a passion, but I absolutely loathe black Trumpers. I don't associate them, or people who associate with them.
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u/Hunter-Gatherer_ Jul 25 '24
The guy wouldn’t let black tenants rent his properties (never apologized), took out a whole full page ad in an effort to have the Central Park 5 sentenced to death for a crime they didn’t even commit (he never apologized for it) when there were riots in Charlottesville Va and the god damn Nazis killed a girl he said there were “good people on both sides” the man has been to Epstein island more times than he’s seen his own children. Like how can they convince themselves he’s a good person. He’s not.
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u/United_Zebra9938 Jul 25 '24
There are black people in America who align themselves with whiteness/republican ideology. The kind that say institutionalized racism isn’t real, believe in reverse racism, say black people need to pull themselves up from their bootstraps because “look, there’s black billionaires” and a bunch of other stuff, there’s a long list and I’m pressed for time.
The same whiteness that is ignoring Trump’s problematic statements towards black Americans. Those black people are ignoring it too because those people are their peers and they think like/are manipulated JUST LIKE THEM.
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u/MisterProfGuy Jul 25 '24
Remember how much Biden caught hell for saying you weren't really black if you voted for Trump?
It's true for Women, too. Lots of people vote against their self interest because they believe some nonsense or think they'll get to be one of the "chosen ones".
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u/Ok_Concentrate_75 Jul 25 '24
Yea but that was a wild statement, and it was more divisive if anything. I mean my parents remember him as a dixiecrat so to make that statement was surreal...then they vilified Nina Turner for basically summarizing the sentiment smh I get what you're saying and agree but that statement he made was horribly problematic.
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u/tayroarsmash Jul 25 '24
You can find 33% of Americans that believe in anything. We’re a stupid lot. The fact that this dips statistically below that is really telling.
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u/frostyaznguy Jul 25 '24
Some of my black friends are pro Trump, and I think it’s because they grew up with mostly white friends and how we all went to a predominantly white college.
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u/Cute-Pomegranate-966 Jul 25 '24
There's a lot of black men where i live that vote for Trump and Republicans here in the south. I know what these white people say behind their backs (since they think i'm just like them) and it's disturbing as fuck. I wish they could know what their "friend" actually thinks of them.
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u/kingcalifornia ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Tell them?
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u/Cute-Pomegranate-966 Jul 25 '24
I have in some cases. why would i keep it to myself? They're dismissive of it.
I also call people out when they talk to me about shit like that and make it clear that what they're telling me is completely fucked up.
the mindset you had in your initial message "snitch" is something you should change about yourself. Motherfuckers like this deserve to be "snitched" on.
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u/Hunter-Gatherer_ Jul 25 '24
Do they have mirrors?
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u/Men_I_Trust_I_Am Jul 25 '24
There’s actually a study that showed interracial friend groups influence or reinforce voting patterns. Conservative Black people tended to vote republican within interracial groups regardless of the members political affiliation.
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u/vr1252 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
I feel like growing up around white people made me even more liberal and progressive. I’ve met people like you describe and I’ll just never get it.
I can understand why people tokenize themselves like that but I can not understand how they remain blind to the danger of their actions in this political climate.
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u/DaddyDontTakeNoMess ☑️ Jul 25 '24
That’s what happens. White people (guys in particular) are quick to throw political jabs about a democratic president even in non context situations. If you hear it enough without having an opposed argument, you could be swayed.
I see it happening with my cousin. He won’t vote Republican but I hear him parroting things as a devils advocate sometimes.
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u/sisserou97 Jul 25 '24
A couple of my Black acquaintances are pro-Trump. Not sure if I could truly be friends with someone who was pro-Trump tbh. One of them is very Christian (also another excuse as to why I don’t go to church).
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u/10J18R1A ☑️ Jul 25 '24
A lot of black people are conservative ideologically, but the republican racism keeps them away
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u/debeatup ☑️ Jul 26 '24
Honestly this is probably me - I probably identify as a centrist/moderate but the blatant racism and incessant need to control other people’s lives means I’ve never voted Red in my life.
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u/MajorAcer Jul 25 '24
I dropped a college friend that I had for years for suddenly becoming a trump supporter. He was kind of a shitty friend leading up to that too, but that was the final straw.
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u/bellalugosi Jul 26 '24
It's also weird to me that Christians would be for that man, he's so obviously faking his beliefs for votes.
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u/EnlightnedRedditor Jul 25 '24
Not just solely on the picture, I’m saying in general. Isn’t the guy a racist? I’m surprised for the amount of women voters too, he’s had multiple counts of sexual misconduct. And his pedo allegations as well.
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u/Fragzilla360 ☑️ Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Yeah he’s a racist. But he didn’t just become a racist overnight and a segment of hip hop culture has had this weird ass fascination with him for at least the past 3 decades. Not saying this is the reason why that number is so high or that it’s even a contributing factor, it’s just… shit I don’t know, some people are just weird as fuck 😂 and I’m not gonna try to speak for all of us.
I guess for me personally I really find it shocking that he has that high a percentage of women voters, black or white or Asian, and everyone else. Given his stance on women’s reproductive rights, proven sexual violence against women, treating of and referring to women as sexual objects it absolutely blows my mind every day that any woman in this day and age can consider him as a viable contender for the presidency.
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u/b3nd3r_r0b0t Jul 25 '24
Facts about the hip hop culture having this weird fascination with him. How many different songs have "rich like trump" or reference staying in trump tower. Hell method man had him on an album. Sometimes we as a people only focus on money and not the dark shit with it.
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u/Ok_Concentrate_75 Jul 25 '24
That era, he was 1. Frequent in conversations on new younger Uber rich people 2. He was always being interviewed 3.His influence in the NYC/NJ area, where much of that rap sound was born from. So if I'm rapping about my area and I live in Brooklyn or Newark, I see a ton of Trump stuff.
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u/Fragzilla360 ☑️ Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
From like the early 80’s through the mid to late 2000’s hip hop was awesome and weird at times and most definitely eclectic. Some of the people we would latch on to and reference could be so bizarre and cool at the same time. Like how many rappers back then referenced Patrick Swayze and the movie Ghost 😂😂😂😂 I loved that then about hip hop and love it now. (Edit: love the eclecticness part, not the trump part 👊🏾😆)
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u/thejaytheory ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Yep materialism at its' finest
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u/Noirecissist ☑️ Jul 25 '24
That what it came down to. Trump was an easily assessable metaphor for material success which has always been the central aspiration of most rappers. I don’t begrudge that goal, it makes sense for poor and working class people to want freedom from want. I just wish we chosen better avatars for that objective than someone who has consistently used black people when convenient, and usually to our detriment.
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u/Neo_Neo_oeN_oeN ☑️ Jul 25 '24
I'm convinced there's a portion of the population that value their own entertainment more than anything else and they'll go along with anything that amuses them until it no longer serves that purpose.
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u/NK1337 Jul 25 '24
Honestly, I’ve found that a lot of older blacks and Hispanics tend to lean more conservative in values, either because of religion or being single issue voters. So even if like 99% of the things the GOP stands for go against their own self-interests at least they’ll be hard on immigration/stick it to the gays/forbid abortion/fuck over gen z/etc and that’s enough for them.
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u/the_neverdoctor ☑️ Jul 25 '24
I live in Florida. I went to the grocery store one day and saw a black man with his bumper stickers all over his car and he was proudly wearing a t-shirt that read “Joe and the Ho must go”.
Shit was weird as hell.
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u/chamberx2 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Some people's misogyny overrides their fear of losing their civil rights. Weird, I know.
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u/thas_mrsquiggle_butt ☑️ Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Honestly? No. Trust that if the Republicans party wasn't so racist towards black people (and only black people), some of my family would be voting red.
Edit: On a slightly different note, I'm expecting some people to start hanging human shaped rucksack with Kamala's name on it by a noose like they did during Obama's inauguration soon.
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u/PeterPlotter Jul 25 '24
We have a few friends who are (openly) LGBTQ and vote Republican. Makes your head spin at times.
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u/That-Ad-4300 Jul 25 '24
I mean. 76% is most.
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u/youaredumbngl Jul 25 '24
I was scratching my head for the longest trying to find out how 21% would classify as "most" in any context. I still am.
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u/Pinksamuraiiiii Jul 25 '24
Same, I’m shocked about that 21% it’s heavy in the brainwash gravy
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u/EnlightnedRedditor Jul 25 '24
Yk what’s even more shocking? The 47% women.
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u/Pinksamuraiiiii Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
Nah, those are all MAGA women mostly. There’s a lot of right-wing red hat women like MTG who don’t care about their bodily rights, so that doesn’t surprise me as much. And the rest are probably religious Latina republicans.
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u/bryanna_leigh Jul 25 '24
Yeah … that 47% of women is mind boggling!
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u/DMking ☑️ 🧔🏾Engineer Daddy seeking sugarbaby™👧🏼 Jul 25 '24
Not that suprising when you remember Trump won a majority of white women last election IIRC
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u/bryanna_leigh Jul 25 '24
It is still wild to me as a white woman, the man is just so fucking stupid. I just don’t understand how people don’t see what con man he is.
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u/theAlphabetZebra Jul 25 '24
Yeah but it’s kinda weird because of that whole “republicans hate black people” thing.
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u/PhazonZim Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
There are LGBT Republicans that seem to think simping will save them from the gas chambers. The Blaire Whites and Dave Rubins
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u/Apprehensive_Bus8652 Jul 25 '24
The Hodge twins seem to be nothing but bad decisions
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u/easy10pins Jul 25 '24
The Hodge Twins flipped to conservatism due to money and audience engagement.
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u/throwtheclownaway20 Jul 25 '24
Everybody knows that, but this isn't "Do you like pineapple on pizza?" we're talking about. There's apparently a quite large amount of black folks who somehow don't care that these motherfuckers want to literally kill or deport everyone darker than khakis. It's an existential threat and they, if not ignoring that fact completely, somehow think that either "being part of the team" or simply being "one of the good ones" will save them. Ask Ernst Rohm how that works out.
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u/OBEYtheFROST Jul 25 '24
Agreed. On my Facebook right now there’s a lot of burnouts who are supporting Trump. These are millennial aged black and Hispanic folk. Ppl have been getting at them but they’re deflecting and having tantrums. One even believes Trump is being honest about not being apart of project 2025. It’s crazy
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u/Zee216 Jul 25 '24
The split was something like 90 - 10 before so this would be a drastic change, what on Earth has Trump done to have gains like this in the black community
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u/VerifiedBackup9999 Jul 25 '24
89% voted for Hillary in 2016. 87% voted for Biden in 2020. If that number holds up or is anywhere near accurate, Kamala is done. Doesn't matter who you are, if your wallet hurts, and if it felt like you were better off before 2020, you may vote for the other guy. That will ultimately be the biggest hurdle to overcome for Kamala. If you were financially better off b4 2020, you may see her as part of the problem. Even if the candidate was Shapiro or Whitmer, they'd still have the same issue. People don't understand the nuances of economics. They just blame the people in the office. Even if Trump rode Obama's economy for 4 years and ruined it with his own policies, people may not see it or understand that.
What's even more disturbing is the women voters' numbers. Roe vs. Wade got overturned, and a woman's body autonomy got taken away, yet he gained even with women.
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u/DirtySilicon ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Unfortunately, propaganda is effective, and people really fall for conspiracy theories or drink the Kool Aide thinking the party actually cares. Most of the time its due to muddy waters on what candidates have done. There are still people who really believe Trump is a person on the "outside" trying to drain the swamp for us, combine that with people getting shafted/ignored/used by the democratic party and its a party.
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u/Rob_Reason Jul 25 '24
Religion plays a huge factor at indoctrinating black folk sadly.
I'd also bet that 13 % out of that 21 % are men voting for Trump.
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u/KingOfTheCouch13 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Pretty sure it was 16% last time while black women were like 2%
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u/DerpMcGuirk ☑️ Jul 25 '24
A lot of people at my church voted for Trump because they were adamant that women shouldn't be leaders in any capacity.
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u/DoverBoys Jul 25 '24
Even if there was a swamp to drain, they're replacing it with a sewage field.
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u/DirtySilicon ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Ironically there is a swamp to drain, it's just Trump and the special interests along with selfish politicians and SCOTUS folks selling out the electorate.
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u/Galactic_Hope Jul 25 '24
I'm going to be completely honest, when I was younger (like, 10, cause this was 2 election cycles ago) I heard "Drain the Swamp" and I full on thought Trump was going to actually drain swampland, like tear it down, remove the water, etc.
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u/sirferrell ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Yeah I know a handful of black people and family members that fall for conspiracy theories and Most of all think trump was the one who gave them money in 2020. It's a shame
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u/BlackManWorking ☑️ Jul 25 '24
It’s crazy because even if… that little bit of money wasn’t worth a vote 🤦🏾♂️
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u/audiocassettewarfare Jul 25 '24
I got a cousin around my age that's wholeheartedly Trump. Young black dude, with dreads and tats. But he's so far into conspiracy theories, he goes off the rails with basic rebuttals.
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u/Salt_Sir2599 Jul 25 '24
How are women voters that close?????
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u/SewAlone Jul 25 '24 edited Jul 25 '24
White women with internalized misogyny and outright racism. The white women I know in the south are fine with being second class citizens to their husbands as long as they are still above people of color. (I'm white)
I should add that white college educated women vote in higher numbers for dems than the non-college educated ones, but there are a tons of ignorant white people out there.
eta: You also have the evangelical women who believe that forcing their personal religion on everyone will result in a better country.
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u/damnuge23 Jul 25 '24
The “there’s just SOMETHING about her I don’t like” crowd. I’m not saying that anyone is beyond reproach, but there is a large demographic of people that will never like ambitious women. There are studies on it.
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u/feo_sucio Jul 25 '24
I was in the military up during the waning years of the Obama administration and asked a woman I worked with if she would vote for Hillary (at this point in 2015 Trump was not yet considered the major Republican contender) and she strongly rejected the very notion. She said that she didn't like the risk that Hillary Clinton would be on the rag one day and get us into a war with Iran or some other bullshit.
I responded to her, "well, I think she's old enough that that's not an issue anymore, but you're also literally saying that she couldn't do the job because she's a woman, and you're a woman in the Navy. What are you saying about yourself? What are you saying about your daughter?"
She fell silent and was visibly bothered. After that interaction we still maintained pleasantries at work but never had a conversation about anything again, not even small talk.
edit: ps i'll give you one guess what ethnicity she was
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u/Warrior_Runding Jul 26 '24
eta: You also have the evangelical women who believe that forcing their personal religion on everyone will result in a better country.
What is wild is that these same people will have complaints about the town/county they live in with detailed accounts of it being people from said town/county that have been run by the same people for decades, but when the discussion becomes "political" suddenly the woes of their local area are the result of problems from elsewhere.
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u/Thomas_DuBois Jul 25 '24
White women are fairly reliable Republican supporters.
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u/Express-Doubt-221 Jul 25 '24
Don't black voters usually overwhelmingly vote Democratic to the tune of like 90% +? Makes it hard for me to trust the polls
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u/youngherbo Jul 25 '24
Youre right, No GOP candidate has won more than 15% of the Black vote in 60 years. I personally am VERY skeptical of polls showing Trump getting anything above that number.
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u/Gold-Bench-9219 Jul 25 '24
There are definitely reasons to believe the polls are off. Democrats have overperformed in every election since 2016, both in general and special elections. Biden himself got nearly 90% of the Black vote in 2020, and there is no reason to believe that there has been a significant shift towards Trump since then. What has really changed? Trump and his party have only gotten more overtly racist and gross.
All of those margins seems suspiciously high for Trump. The only one that could be reasonable is women just because white women vote for Trump, but Black and young voters, IMO, will not vote for Trump to those margins.
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u/atfricks Jul 25 '24
Trump pulled exactly 15% of black men in 2020, but Biden pulled 90% of black women so it rather evened out.
I think misogyny is going to play a disturbingly high factor this election.
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u/Thepitman14 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Ik this is anecdotal, but I have two uncles and a cousin who all want to vote trump. One doesn't vote (thank god) and the uncle and cousin are both blacker than me. I just can't understand
The cousin even admits he doesn't think democracy is a good idea, so at least he's consistent in voting for a fascist
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u/SirTroah ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Black men are riding for Trump hard because per the GOP: he is a convict and was arrested and that something that resonates with black men apparently. Oh and sneakers.
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u/Yorha-with-a-pearl Jul 25 '24
They just don't want to vote Crime Bill Biden and Prosecutor Harris. So they prefer to vote chauvinistic, racist trash into power.
Makes perfect sense.
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u/zeuanimals Jul 25 '24
Prosecutor Harris < the only guy who called for the execution of the Central Park 5 after they were exonerated
I think these people have a death wish.
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u/chazjo ☑️ Jul 25 '24
We need to make When They See Us (the Central Park 5 series on Netflix) trending before the election because there's no way people are looking to vote Trump above Harris just because of her being a prosecutor.
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u/BlurredSight Jul 26 '24
Kamala Harris definitely was in bed with Cop unions and definitely wasn't pushing for lesser sentencing for black communities especially during her time as AG.
But Trump did 13 executions in 3 months after he lost the election, so between November 2020, and his final day in January 2021 he and his homeboy AG Barr were pushing for faster and faster scheduling for Death Row inmates, 8 who were black, 2 who were presumed innocent.
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u/dbclass ☑️ Jul 25 '24
According to what? Is there polling data showing this? I’ve seen so much about black men voting Republican but haven’t seen any data to back that up when it’s brought up every election since 2016. People even said black men wouldn’t vote for Abrams in Georgia and despite her having a lukewarm campaign still won over 80% of black men.
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u/toomuchtostop ☑️ Jul 25 '24
I believe these numbers will adjust as the weeks and campaigning go by. July polls don’t mean much for a November election.
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u/Nyktastik ☑️ Jul 25 '24
What's also alarming is 47% of women support a misogynistic rapist who wants to make The Handmaid's Tale real
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u/EnlightnedRedditor Jul 25 '24
I’m more shocked at the women voters than the black voters.
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u/Boogeryboo ☑️ Jul 25 '24
There are a lot of religious women who dream of a world like the Handmaid's Tale
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u/dubyajay18 Jul 25 '24
Even Harriett Tubman had to force some of us to flee at gunpoint 🤷🏽♂️
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u/Weekly_Protection_57 Jul 25 '24
A lot of hoteps have odd beliefs that lead them to illogical conclusions.
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u/thepottsy Jul 25 '24
Welcome to the wacky world of American politics. There’s not a single group of people out there, that don’t have voters who will shoot themselves in both feet. It will never make sense.
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u/DoctahFeelgood Jul 25 '24
As a poor white dude who sees other poor white dudes vote for a millionaire who has made a living fucking them over I'll never be able to understand the logic of supporting him.
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u/thepottsy Jul 25 '24
Yeah, just be careful, you’ll drive yourself crazy trying to understand that. Take care of your mental health.
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u/Lord_BoneSwaggle Jul 25 '24
A single poll is rarely a good indication of actual vibes. Looking at a bunch of polls in a meta-analysis will yield a more accurate picture. Only problem is when it's an election and there's only ~100 days to campaign it's hard to get a solid meta-analysis.
All this to say, polls are fine but no matter what they say GO OUT AND VOTE. OR MAIL IN YOUR BALLOT. WHATEVER YOU DO, VOTE. PEOPLE HAVE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR THE RIGHT TO DO IT. LIVE UP TO THE RIGHTS PEOPLE FOUGHT FOR YOU TO HAVE.
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u/crazymaan92 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
I'm going to go on a limb and say most of that 21% is black men.
(Black) men have this insatiable ability to ignore everything you say/think about them if they think you can get their hands on more money, power, and/or control.
What they fail to realize is at black men have no place on Trump's boat on his voyage to US domination. You're black, after all.
You see how they didn't even acknowledge Herman Cain's death? That'll be you.
Source: I'm a black man and I've heardd the twisted logic. (and no, I"m not parading as a black man on the internet. Or is that what I what you to think? Lol)
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u/jonkl91 Jul 25 '24
Black women have an insane rate of voting like 93% Democrat. Black women are a very reliable voting block. That's why red states do everything they can to shut down voting booths in predominantly Black areas.
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u/Bentup85 Jul 25 '24
I think sometimes people lie when they take these polls. They might lie about ethnicity or who they are voting for. Also, who is answering unsolicited calls/texts/emails? These numbers don’t really reflect the actual population just people who are willing to answer polls.
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u/JayBee_III ☑️ Jul 25 '24
A lot of Black people hold conservative views, most believe in faith, family, hard work (just listen to the way we talk about good jobs), and a lot of us have a distrust for elements of the system like the police departments and the justice system. I've always said that if Republicans could just stop being overtly racist all the time they would clean up with the Black vote.
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u/Nordie25 ☑️ Jul 25 '24
Anyone who’s kinda used to seeing these numbers shouldn’t be shocked. Everybody in here knows a number of Black people that has a lot of negative beliefs. Numbers like this aren’t really jaw-dropping.
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u/Galactapuss Jul 25 '24
Look at how much support Mark Robinson gets in NC. The man preaches in churches, saying the most heinous shit imaginable.
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u/Barack_Odrama_007 Jul 25 '24
Mark is EXTRAORDINARILY ABHORRENT. And he has the audacity to calm himself a man of god as he preaches and promotes unfiltered hate.
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u/JustSayTech Jul 25 '24
Polls mean nothing, get yo ass up and vote.
Polls are like taking a practice exam, it means shit if you don't take the real one.
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u/yeetgev Jul 25 '24
I have family members who love Trump compared to any democrat and if drunk will somehow rant about him. Even if the topic is nothing political. They also don’t believe in vaccines lmao
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u/mwaaahfunny Jul 25 '24
Pareto says 20% of your customers is 80% of your business. In politics, 20% of voters are 80% of why we can't have nice things.
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u/AnInquisitive_Rock41 Jul 25 '24
Idk why we looking at polls for someone who hasn’t been in the race no longer than a week. Y’all just make sure yall register to vote, then go vote in November. No more Internet voting like 2015. We need to stay on point this time or it’s back to the cotton fields and Jim Crow for us. Believe that man when he said he wants to be a dictator day 1, and WE not living in oppression while our country goes into a state regression.
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u/super-mega-bro-bro Jul 25 '24
Some people will put another part of their identity above their blackness. Their nationality. Their richness. Their bigotry. Their homophobia or transphobia or misogyny. When we (royal we, fuck trump) lean into those prejudices or fears, we ignore other realities that are against the driver of our hate
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u/Gutter_Muppet Jul 25 '24
according to this poll, 21% of black voters are stupid fucking idiots
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u/Nihil_esque Jul 25 '24
Still doing better than women apparently
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u/ComprehensiveDoubt55 Jul 25 '24
Some of these women watched The Handmaids Tale and thought, “I look good in green.”
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u/DeeBarbs23 Jul 25 '24
I think some people forget Black conservatives exist even Trump ones. Majority of Black people don’t support the rapist and felon.
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